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Old July 30, 2001, 01:41 PM   #1
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how much can you bench?

?????
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Old July 30, 2001, 07:13 PM   #2
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Long ago and far away I could bench 350 freebar. 25 years later I MIGHT be able to do my body weight.

I read in the paper this week that Larry Allen of the Cowboys was benching somewhere between 650 and 700 lbs. Un-effin-real.
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Old July 30, 2001, 07:19 PM   #3
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Maybe my body weight. I'm a little guy...
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Old July 30, 2001, 09:12 PM   #4
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I with Spectre, I can do my body weight plus a couple of pouds, but does it matter? Nah probably not unless I am moving pianos or get into a wrestling match. I have vowed never to do either again.
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Old July 30, 2001, 09:37 PM   #5
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325 lbs when I was a junior in high school. That was 18 years ago, but since that was the last time I attempted to "max-out", I'll go with that figure.

When I was a freshman in college I did 12 reps of 225 lbs. That was 16 years ago. I weighed 150 lbs. at the time, and now I weight 200 lbs. I think I could bench press my weight now, but not much more.
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Old July 30, 2001, 10:14 PM   #6
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To get into the spirit of the Forum: If I tried to bench-press enough weight to notice, my 67-year old, arthritic shoulders would quickly tell me to quit that foolishness.

That's why you never hassle an old guy. He won't fight you--but you may well lose. Old guys already been to lots of funerals.

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Old July 30, 2001, 10:42 PM   #7
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Right now, my workout weight is 300lbs, and I have maxed 500lbs. The 500 was months ago, so I don't know about now. Still working out with 300.
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Old July 31, 2001, 12:31 AM   #8
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you guys are strong. my max is around 280 lbs.
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Old July 31, 2001, 01:24 AM   #9
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Ditto the "roughly my body weight" thing...

This simply shows that the "handguns as an equalizer of physical strength" idea doesn't just apply to average women vs. rapists. Up against a 6'3" 326lb guy that can bench twice his weight, most of us would be in deep, deep trouble. Heck, it would be hard enough to stop somebody of that size and conditioning with a handgun! Starts to make a person paranoid about stopping power and all that...

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Note: Larry's probably a great guy...this is just an example!
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Old July 31, 2001, 01:37 AM   #10
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I'm with Art. The only thing left for us "gentlemen of age" is to shoot. Here in Arizona, iffen a young stud picks on a senior, the senior is justified in using deadly force even tho his tormenter may be unarmed. Love it.

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Old July 31, 2001, 06:00 AM   #11
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I'll have to move to AZ, I just love that!!!
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Old July 31, 2001, 11:50 AM   #12
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Who cares!

Bench is the most overrated exercise.

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Old July 31, 2001, 12:08 PM   #13
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At least weight of girlfriends!

More important to run, run, and run. CV system far more important in a fight than power. Squeeze tennis ball for grip strength.
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Old July 31, 2001, 01:46 PM   #14
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Armed Patriot, are you talking about me? I know in some of the pictures I've put up and from some of the posts from other Utah TFLers I sound big, but really I'm not that big. A bit taller than your description, but a good thirty pounds lighter.

I don't like to max out. I think it has negative psychological aspects to your workout. I have done high reps of 315 though. But that was over a year ago, now I've gotten quite a bit softer. I lift now for fun more than anything serious. Really I'm just a big softie.

But let me just say that there are some guys at the gym who are downright scary! I work out at the biggest gym in the SLC area, and there are some monsters there. Guys with cords of muscle benching 600 lbs. I think of them whenever some liberal bliss ninny starts talking about how you should just learn martial arts to defend yourself. Hah! These guys have pecs that look like rump roasts off of a freaking cow.
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Old July 31, 2001, 03:15 PM   #15
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Correia wrote...

Armed Patriot, are you talking about me?

I just checked Larry Allen's "dimensions" for curiousity. I'm an average guy that's spent some time in a gym, but this guy makes me feel like one of the skinny gals in Oleg's posters, at least in terms of the size/strength differential.

I agree with CReynolds...bench is highly overrated. It's never been my best or most beneficial exercise.

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Old July 31, 2001, 03:47 PM   #16
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AP, sorry about that. It is just that so many of the folks I know on this board just call me by my first name (and most of them joke that I'm large and goofy looking ). I've never heard of Larry Allen.
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Old July 31, 2001, 04:36 PM   #17
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Heh. Despite being a martial artist, I can see standing in court.

The judge looks down at all 5'6", 145 lbs or so of me.

Son, why did you shoot him?

Your honor, he was big!
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Old July 31, 2001, 04:51 PM   #18
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Many years ago, a guy smaller than Spectre tried to sucker punch me in front of several witnesses. What I didn't realize was that he was watching the witnesses and had waited to move until none of them were watching. Well, they turned to look when they heard the scuffling...just as he started yelling something on the order of,"Help! Help! This big ape is trying to kill me." and cowering in abject fear Just as I was about to be set upon by the outraged folks, an old lady came out of her house and called out,"See here, the little punk hit him first when y'all weren't watching! He's trying to set y'all all up." I walked away as the folks turned on him. Funny thing, he's a preacher now.

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Old July 31, 2001, 06:15 PM   #19
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"....Guys with cords of muscle benching 600 lbs. I think of them whenever some liberal bliss ninny starts talking about how you should just learn martial arts to defend yourself. Hah! These guys have pecs that look like rump roasts off of a freaking cow."


Would you rather have a Freedom Arms .475 Linebaugh loaded with one round, or a Glock 17 with 18 rounds of 9mm on tap ?

Strength and size is a handicap unless you are trained to use it to your advantage. You have to strike a happy medium between size, speed, and agility for your build. Ever watch a bodybuilder try to throw a punch ?


BTW, I used to bench 450 lbs back when I played football. Not that it helped one bit. It's an exercise more in vanity than serving any practical use.
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Old July 31, 2001, 06:59 PM   #20
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To say that benching is just an exercise in vanity, may be a little extreme. Benching is but one piece that can help develop punching power. I agree that if you take it to an extreme you can actually start to go in the other direction.

I am by no means a "large" guy. I'm 6'1" 250lbs, and I'm one of the fastest guys in my sparring circle. It's all in how you train and what your goal is.

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Old July 31, 2001, 11:05 PM   #21
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pecs not the most important group for punching.....
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Old July 31, 2001, 11:56 PM   #22
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True, but while BP'ing, you're also working your triceps. Those ARE the most important muscles for punching.

(Welcome to TFL, btw!)
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Old August 1, 2001, 02:44 AM   #23
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There is no one "important muscle for punching". A good punch involves synchronizing various muscle groups and has more to do with balance and control than "raw strength". Your triceps are just as involved in a good punch as your shoulders, biceps, chest, forearms, shoulders, abs, hips and legs.

Big guys have more momentum and strength behind their punches but that does not translate to a "powerful" punch. More often then not, a bodybuilders punch is just a big shove. The excessive upperbody weight adds momentum to your punches making it more difficult to recoil, and the muscles tightness doesn't allow you any "pop" or follow through. You are left slower and more open, I know all this from experience. Excessive upper body mass makes movement difficult and slow, it's like trying to corner in a Cadillac, akward to say the least.

Also, one punch knockouts are rarer than people think, regardless of size. Most knockouts are accomplished by a succession of blows. Big guys who don't know how to punch, usually just wind up with a hay maker, telegraphing their punch and leaving themselves open in the process. Doesn't matter if you weigh 120 lbs, or 220, a three or four punch combo to his ribs and face and the body builder won't want no more.

So what is it ? The single shot 10 guage may look fearsome, but in the hands of an unskilled practitioner is no match for the expert with his Ruger 10/22 .
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Old August 1, 2001, 04:29 AM   #24
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it's funny how some people assume that if they are a bodybuilder, then they don't know how to fight or are slow as hell. a stereotype? maybe.
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Old August 1, 2001, 09:30 AM   #25
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The chest has almost nothing to do with punching power. While the triceps are important, they rank behind the shoulder. Most important is the combination of the legs and hips working in unison. That is where power comes from, not the chest. I fought a lot of big guys (not that I am small -- 6'2", 245) and most of them were slow and actually didn't hit that hard. Remember: speed times mass equals power. Mass stays fairly constant, while speed can be increased dramatically. Why do you think boxers do so many speed drills. Use your legs and hips for power and your arms, through your hands (fist, palm, sword, etc.), for speed.

I'm not down on the bench, I like to work out and look good, but chest is for aesthetics.

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