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Old June 7, 2000, 07:59 AM   #1
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During firearms week in police academy we had an instructor that carried a Glock G17 9mm. He was the first person I ever saw shoot a pistol at 100 yards. He didn't use targets, he shot the 2" wide steel target post and would make it "clank" on at least 8 out of ten shots.

He let us have a go at the steel post with our pistols during a break and it didn't take long to start ringing the post fairly consistently with my Glock G22. I started shooting my Glock on the 100 yard range locally and found that the concentration required really helped me gain valuable trigger control with my pistol.

I know a Glock isn't target accurate at 100 yards and there are many pistols that would be more suited to this type shooting. I also know that, in reality, most handgun calibers would be very ineffective at that distance. However, the experience and trigger control was a definite plus for me and my 3-25 yard shooting improved big time.

Has anyone else tried 50-100 yard pistol shooting and found it to improve their shooting at combat distances? Just curious. If you haven't tried this, you should do it at least once.

With my Glock G22 and 180gr FMJ loads I had to hold the top of the rear sight level with the bottom of the front sight blade. I think that would be a good baseline for most semi-auto pistols for anyone trying it for the first time. BTW, leave the 3-5" target circles in your bag and shoot to "hit paper", or even the right area of dirt the first time you shoot at this distance.

Oh, a barricade rest position is helpful too. I used sand bags occasionally too, just so I could concentrate more on trigger control.

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Old June 7, 2000, 08:32 AM   #2
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I occassionally shoot my 1911s at that distance. I can consistantly hit two liter soda bottles filled with water once I get dialed in (usually only a couple of shots). I've shot my 1911s enough to know where they'll hit so sometimes I'm hitting from the first shot
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Old June 7, 2000, 09:01 AM   #3
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When my dad was teaching me to shoot he told me to practice at long range.
He was right. When I got to the point where I could hit targets at 100 yards the closer shots were easy.----------Thanks Dad.
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Old June 7, 2000, 09:18 AM   #4
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Same here i took my Colt 1991A1 Wondering if it was capable of hitting paper at 100yds and i did it. I don't have much trouble hitting paper at a 100yds once i figure out how high i have to aim. Usually about 2 1/2-3 feet above the target depending on the quality of ammo. I think its kinda pointless to try and get any kind of groups with a 1911 at 100yds but i think the .45 230gr bullet still holds up alot better than any 9mm bullet at that distance. A lot of people bicker about how certain bullets are the same especially the 9mm being fast and the heavy slow 45acp but not once you get past 25yds or so not anymore. If you know what your bullet is doing at 50-100yds with bullet drop your 45 can still be pretty effective. Bigger bullets hold up better at longer distances as far as punch. You just have to know what your bullet is doing.
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Old June 7, 2000, 09:59 AM   #5
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Yep. I've done it.

I REALLY shocked a group of people one day at my old range. I took a .38 snub nose and hit a 10" swinging gong at 100 yards with 3 out of 5 shots.

Most thought that it couldn't even get a bullet that far.

What I didn't tell them was that I knew where to aim because I had been shooting at the thing a week or two earlier.

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Old June 7, 2000, 10:05 AM   #6
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Try your carry gun on a silhouette range. 200 meter clangers are a hoot. Seems to take VERY hot .357mag and up to knock em down but still a lot of fun with lesser ctgs.

If I remember correctly, three gun slow fire targets were at 75 yds.

Come to think of it, any shooting is a hoot.

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Old June 7, 2000, 10:38 AM   #7
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Yes, I have a Ruger 22/45 bull barrel and I shoot it at a 100 yard metal post regularly. I love to hear the "THUNK".

You are right, most people are amazed that you can hit that well with a little semi-auto. --chirokid--
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Old June 7, 2000, 10:39 AM   #8
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I read an article in which Elmer Keith described using a .44 magnum to hit an outhouse at several hundred yards. Not to be outdone I promptly grabbed up a four-inch *&* .357 and tried it.

Got to where I could consistently hit a paint bucket at a hundred yards, but never tried any further--the target was just too darn small.

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Old June 7, 2000, 11:07 AM   #9
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OOOH...my head this morning. If you think my eyes look bad...you should see them from this side of the eyeballs. Rainbow six, an interesting topic. I use to shoot all the time at 100 yd. targets. I was using the .44 APC shooting up a motorcycle hill climb that was quite steep at a water filled liter bottle. (plastic} Had just walked up that damn hill and set the target in place when 2 jokers showed up with scoped deer rifles.
We were on a fire road on the side of a mt. I hadn't even fired a shot yet and they were blazing away at my target without asking. Not one hit did they get. Finally got a clip in the Randall and layed my forearms across the cab of our pickup. First shot was about a foot from the bottle, second shot had the hold over range adjusted and POP went the liter bottle. Those guys jaws dropped down to their chest. Too embarresed to say anything they left shortly thereafter. In my younger days when eyeballs were good I shot .44 mag and even .22 pistols at 100 yd. targets all the time. Sometimes putting up white paper plates on the back stops. They wern't two inch groups but acceptable for defense purposes.

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Old June 7, 2000, 11:29 AM   #10
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Jim...That is sooo cool........Sam
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Old June 7, 2000, 12:59 PM   #11
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Sorry R6, 100 yards with a Glock can't be done. Glocks are only good for combat accuracy.

I'm going to try it at the range this Thursday. I've been going a couple times a week to break in the new toy,(or more precisely to break in myself) and needed something new for variety.

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Old June 7, 2000, 01:07 PM   #12
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About 20 yrs ago when the Ar-15 shorty came out my brother got one.Me being me I asked him what he was going to do with and that I could outdo him with model 19-4in 357.Found a piece of tin about 2ft by 3 ft and and paced back 325 paces(about 300yards for me)Useing 158 lswc with 5 grs of unq. behind them for about 1050 fps I got 5 out of 6 in the piece of tin with first one about 6 feet low.Never unerestimate a revolver or a 357 mag.

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Old June 7, 2000, 01:12 PM   #13
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Copied from different thread.Post by C.R.SamFodder for ol farts.
Wheel gun accuracy.
.44 S+W Russian test.
Diameter of circle ENCLOSING group of ten shots.
256gr bullet.
200 yard.....15"
100 yard.....6"
50 yard.....1.5"....10 shot one hole?
20 yard.....1.0"....10 shot one hole.
Gun..S+W .44 Military, 6.5" bbl.
These are outside to outside measurements. How far we have not come in a hundred years.



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Old June 7, 2000, 01:40 PM   #14
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Long range pistol shooting isn't all that difficult with practice. A few days ago I was shooting at a 14" steel gong at our backyard 200 yard range with a Ruger Blackhawk in 44 magnum. Using hot handloads and a two hand hold while sitting I was getting fairly consistent hits on the plate. The trick is to know where the bullets are dropping, something that can be seen fairly well on an open field where are targets are.
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Old June 7, 2000, 01:48 PM   #15
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Beemerb:

Was that .44 Russian stuff done in the late 19th century, or early 20th century. I've heard of ol Farts called the .44 Specialist.

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Old June 7, 2000, 02:23 PM   #16
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Do long range (200 yd) pistol shooting all the time. My method is to hold so that the target is on top of my front sight and then instead of having the front sight level with the back ---- have a good portion of the front sight over the back. With a little practice you learn how much at different ranges. I like to do this to find out if the windage is correct when sighting in. You'll know in a hurry where you're hitting if you have a dirt embankment to shoot against with a large caliber handgun. regards, birdman
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Old June 7, 2000, 02:27 PM   #17
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IHMSA. Give it a try. 25m chickens,50m pig,75m turkey,100m rams;2 sets of 5 at each range,40 shots total for a round the rest of the box can be used as sighters. I shoot field pistol class = standing, iron sights with a 6" GP100. Try it you'll like it.

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Old June 7, 2000, 02:53 PM   #18
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Alright, 300 yards (as claimed by the rangemaster), 12 inch plate (guessing because I don't want to walk out there, up hill), with a Makarov. I won't claim to have hit it every time or even the vast majority of the time, but I was able to stay very close to it and hit it pretty regularly. I was just impressed to get near it. Aligned the top of the rear sight with the top-front of the slide.

The guys next to me were having trouble staying on target with their AR's at <50 yards.
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Old June 7, 2000, 03:05 PM   #19
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My brother in law hit a target at 115 yards with a Pony .380. Okay, the target was a dirt berm but still, he hit it!
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Old June 7, 2000, 05:28 PM   #20
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James E....That .44 Russian stuff came out of Pistol and Revolver Shooting by A.L.A.Himmelwright, pub 1904. No date given for the test. The .44 Russion shorter than the .44 special.

My earlier ref to sihlouette is from 70s when the turkey was at 150 and the ram at 200. Turkey was a mutha to knock down with .357. Just clangin it was a feel good.

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Old June 7, 2000, 05:51 PM   #21
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I have shot thousands of rounds in practice and competition at 50 yards. I have also shot IHMSA.

Hitting a target 2 inches wide at 100 yards requires two minute of angle accuracy or think of it as 1 inch at 50 yards. The best makers of 1911 type pistols will only guarantee 1.5 inches. A two moa stock Glock...hmmm.

All I can say is your firearms instructor has perhaps one of the most accurate Glock pistols evey made and he is perhaps one of the best shots who ever lived.
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Old June 7, 2000, 06:04 PM   #22
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I had a pistol instructor who was becoming frustrated with some of the other students. They just weren't responding. So at a comment from one of them about how far back we where (15 yards), he told everyone to stop, we packed up our stuff, and marched across the street to the 100 yard range. I was amazed at how easy it was, once you figured out the hold over. More importantly, so were the students having trouble. By the time we got back to the pistol range, everyone was on target- at all ranges.
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Old June 7, 2000, 06:20 PM   #23
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i lived in a trailer on a large farm many years ago. i had a rifle/pistol range for 20, 50, 100, 200, 300, and 400 yards all with sand bullet traps, target stands, gongs and spinners for rifles and handguns. i had the help of a large group of friends to maintain it even if a lot of them never showed up on work days. we all shot at the range and our weapons ranged from snub nose revolvers to old Colts, to TC Contenders to AK's to scoped rifles.

over years of shooting at known distances i got to where i could hit spinners and gongs at outrageous distances. 100 and 200 yard shots were common to ring a 2 ft. gong with a four inch 681 .357 or a .45 Colt 1911. father than that and there were hits and there were misses. LOL

one afternoon after a long session of sighting in deer rifles from bench rest and sandbags i suggested we shoot at 100 and 200 yard targets off hand with out support or from a deer stand about 2 ft. off the ground to test our rifles under more realistic conditions. out of 8 guys only 2 could put rounds regularly in the black at 200 yards. only 4 guys at 100 yards. "Boy we see who needs the off hand practice!" i said. one of the guys came back and said "Well big guy lets see you hit the 200 yard target or gong 5 times in a row if you are so good!" i stepped up to the line with my rifle and in a moment of inspiration i sat my rifle down and drew my 4 inch 681 in .357. firing single action i hit the black in a standard rifle target 2 times, the 2 ft. gong twice and the spinner (4 inch circle) 1 time. on the sixth shot sweat was beginning to bead up on my forehead the pressure was on. i cocked the hammer and aimed. then i relaxed the trigger and said " I think thats five."
later that week by myself i tried the same shots and hit only 3 out of six. still that's 200 yards we are talking about!

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Old June 7, 2000, 06:36 PM   #24
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Was watching American Shooter and the guy hit an egg at 100yards with a 1911 Kimber. I got to get one of those Kimbers so I can shoot eggs at 5 yards. The ranges I go to are only 25 yards max. Hey do you shooters feel as I do? I shoot 3d(cans) better than paper. It seems as if my eyes picks up on the 3d image a lot better. Than again my eye sight is not sharp.
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Old June 7, 2000, 07:07 PM   #25
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Gee, and I thought Glocks were inaccurate???
NOPE, some people just are not skilled enough to shoot a Glock to it's potential.

On multiple occasions, by seperate parties, in Ransom rests or with optics from a bench, stock Glocks have been shown to consistently print just a hair over 1 inch groups at 50 yards. So, yes, a stock Glock can easily be said to have 2 or 3 moa performance if the shooter does his part (2-3 inch groups at 100 yards). Glocks are not innaccurate, some people just can't shoot them and refuse to learn, and thereby they choose to accept the dogma that they are supposedly "inaccurate". It's a convenient excuse for someone that is not skilled enough to shoot them and has no interest in trying.


I shoot my Glock 31 to 100 and 200 yards quite frequently. I also shoot my other Glocks to that range, but find the fast .357 to give the best performance at that range. I don't have to hold over at all at 100 yards with the zippy .357 Sig.
I very rarely miss a one gallon milk jug at 100 yards and keep real close to it or hit it at 200 yards. I hit a steel human torso sized silouette quite easily and consistently at 200 yards. I only miss the torso at 200 yards if I sneeze or something during the shot
I hunt with my Glock 31, so being able to shoot that well is a must. I never shoot from a rest or a bench, I just like to shoot standing on my own two feet with open sights.



Ps- riddleofsteel - that is a pretty cool story on your part



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