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Old August 16, 2014, 07:45 PM   #1
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A funny Coonan Story.

So earlier today I was visiting my brother in the Boise area. He asked if I would bring a few hand guns for him to try out (read my sig: most of my hand guns are 357 magnums). One of the ones I brought is the Coonan.

Any way we get to the range and I realize that you can only use factory ammo (range rule) so I go to the counter and ask for 357 magnum. The guy looks at my Coonan (guess he just ignored the revolvers that my brother was carrying) and hands me a box of 357 sig. I tell him that I want the magnum ammo and he looks at me like I am an idiot. He says that 357 magnum is for revolvers and tries to ring me up for the sig ammo. I then pull out the mag from my Coonan (it was unloaded per the rules of the store) and show him a 357 sig wont fit in the magazine. He then tells me he does not have any 38 super ammo.

At this point my brother (who is much quicker tempered then me) in a frustrated tone say "just sell us the d#@$ 357 magnum ammo" The clerk gets a little snippy and says that he wont take refunds on the ammo once I pay for it.

I get 3 boxes of the ammo (142 grain Fiocchi) and walk in to the range where my brother and I start shooting.
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Old August 16, 2014, 08:51 PM   #2
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Sounds like this guy belongs in the "People who shouldn't own guns" genre.
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Old August 16, 2014, 09:54 PM   #3
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Sounds like this guy belongs in the "People who shouldn't own guns" genre
We only know for a fact that one of them even owns a gun. Maybe the guy behind the counter doesn't own any.
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Old August 16, 2014, 11:35 PM   #4
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He's probably a member of the Often Wrong, But Never in Doubt Club.
You should have educated him so he could go around saying,
"Boy, guess what I saw today."
Might have been the most exciting thing that happened to him all day.
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Old August 16, 2014, 11:47 PM   #5
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Quick judgements without sound education are not limited to folks behind the gun counter.
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Old August 16, 2014, 11:48 PM   #6
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Maybe the guy behind the counter doesn't own any.
That's whom I was referring to...

And let's hope he doesn't.
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Old August 17, 2014, 01:34 AM   #7
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I would say this falls into the mind your own business category. Guy wants to buy ammo, sell him the ammo he asks for. Some people let their job go to their head. Obnoxious!

What is the saying "It's better to remain silent and let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
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Old August 17, 2014, 10:03 AM   #8
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In (partial) defense of the clerk, he didn't get snippy first, and likely he's had more than a few dealings with people who didn't know the correct caliber for their gun. I myself have over the years seen more than a handful of people ask for ".38s" not knowing that everything that starts with 38 is not the same.
Also .22s.

It is a bit more common, however, the situation like you describe. The clerk has some knowledge, and is trying to help the idiot who wants the wrong ammo...

You did miss an opportunity to educate the clerk that about how autopistols that shoot the .357 Magnum revolver round have been with us for 30 years now, and you just happen to have one!

Even those supremely convinced of their own infallibility have a tough time arguing when you are standing there with the physical proof in your hands! Of course, some still will, for them, there is no hope...

I am a bit surprised to hear of a range (in Idaho?) that only allows factory ammo. What do they do, inspect everyone's ammo boxes?

I know ranges that prohibit certain types of ammo, for real reasons (AP, Tracer, etc.) such as the risk of damage to targets or risk of fire, etc.

Guess if you have a wildcat you can't shoot on that range? I don't think I would patronize such a place, but that's just me.

Sad fact of life, un/underinformed "experts" abound. Saw a guy at a show once, had "one of the first Desert Eagles" on his table. Also had a "factory" 10rnd (spare) mag with it. The gun was a .44Mag, NOT one of the first .44s, which I pointed out to him, showing him the visual differences. And while the 10rnd mag probably came from some factory, it didn't come from Magnum Research, as it was unmarked, had no witness holes, and was in the white.

The fellow was nice enough (and I tried to be as well), admitting he didn't know, and was only repeating what he was told by the guy he got the gun from. And, he did change his claims about the gun & mag. I put it down as a small win...
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Old August 17, 2014, 10:31 AM   #9
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Just how DOES the Coonan chamber a rimmed cartridge? I can't even figure out how the rounds would fit in a magazine....
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Old August 17, 2014, 12:55 PM   #10
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"Just how DOES the Coonan chamber a rimmed cartridge? I can't even figure out how the rounds would fit in a magazine...."

All 22 and .32 ACP autos use rimmed cartridges. Well, the 32 is semi-rimmed. S&W 52s uses 38SPL wadcutters as do the National Matches converted by various gunsmiths in the 50s/60s for Bullseye shooting. Old technology.
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Old August 17, 2014, 03:01 PM   #11
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Burrhead...

Hmmm... Have to check my 32s now. I am curious. Dumb of me not ro notice thet were rimmed...
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Old August 17, 2014, 07:59 PM   #12
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Chambering a rimmed case is actually a fairly straightforward process. The really significant difference from rimless cases (and if you check the specs you will see that most "rimless" cases actually have a few thousandths of rim extending beyond the case body) is the magazine.

Rimmed rounds in the magazine must be loaded with the rim of the upper round in front of the rim of the round below it. This leads to more than a bit of taper or angle to the magazine, but not too much to fit into a pistol grip.

That and a bit of design difference to the mag feed lips is essentially all there is to it.

As noted, its done all the time with the .22LR which is definitely a rimmed case.

The early Browning designed cases (.25, .32, & 38 auto) are called "semi rimmed", because there is a small projecting rim that extends beyond the case body diameter. At the time, it was believed to be needed for the case to headspace on. This proved not to be the case, and his last case design, the .45ACP is a true rimless case.
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