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Old August 10, 2014, 02:32 AM   #51
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Yes---still don't like it
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:15 AM   #52
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Yes. I like it.
I've been shooting the .40 S&W since it came out.
My first .40 S&W pistol was G22.
I've reloaded thousands upon thousands of .40 S&W ammo.
I have 5 pistols left in .40 S&W but don't get the time to shoot them as much as I once did.
The one that I miss the most is a G24C that I let go many years ago.
My G27 is 18 years old. I started carrying it when I was in LE as an off-duty weapon. I've carried it about 75% of the time during those 18 years.
9+1 rds. of a good 180 gr. JHP in a small package makes for an excellent CCW pistol.
Long live the .40 S&W.
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:27 AM   #53
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I had Taurus PT740 a few years ago and did not like it. Too much snap from such a small pistol. The 9mm might have been more to my liking in that size gun. After that all I shot in 40 cal was Glocks. They did nothing to make me like 40 cal or even shooting for that matter. Then I bought a FNS40. Now I really like the caliber.
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:39 AM   #54
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Most of the common pistol cartridges really have no sizeable difference in effective self defense.
Most accurate statement I've seen in a long time.
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Old August 10, 2014, 08:00 AM   #55
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Yep, didn't like it then, don't like it now.
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Old August 10, 2014, 08:33 AM   #56
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Since my first pistol S&W Model 4006, until my next Sig P229, Walther P99 and Glock23 gen4, Yes I still like it!
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Old August 10, 2014, 12:51 PM   #57
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The Sig P229 in .40S&W is rapidly becoming my go-to carry choice.

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Old August 10, 2014, 01:05 PM   #58
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Yes I still feel the same, I thought it was not needed then and I feel the same now. We all know the flawed thinking that brought it about. That has not changed, a hit In the right place from any of the popular handgun ammo will do what it is designed to do. I think some American law enforcement are returning to 9MM.
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Old August 10, 2014, 01:08 PM   #59
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My feelings haven't changed at all. There's nothing wrong with 40 S&W, but I don't own one because it doesn't make sense.

I use 9mm for my personal defense guns as it's cheap to shoot and is plenty powerful with good JHPs, so there's no reason to go with a .40. I use a 10mm for a ranch handgun as that has the power for hunting and ability to reachout to 100 meters or so, which a .40 can't provide.

If people like .40, I think it's great. However you get pretty much the same practical perfomace as it in a 9mm for less cost and can carry more ammo. I'm pretty sure nobody out there is dead because they shoot the bad guy with a 9mm, instead of a .40 and that extra umph would have made the difference.
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Old August 10, 2014, 02:17 PM   #60
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The Sig P229 in .40S&W is rapidly becoming my go-to carry choice.
One of my personal favorites especially when you use a SIG drop in .357 SIG barrel.
Two guns in one, two very good calibers for self defense.
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Old August 10, 2014, 02:32 PM   #61
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Most accurate statement I've seen in a long time.
If that is true, a new shooter would have no harder time learning to shoot a Glock 23 than a Glock 19? If the end result at the target is the same, felt delivery is also the same?

Yes, it is all a matter of nuances sometimes, however, every action every change is measurable and sometimes a little thing is the difference between loss and victory.
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Old August 10, 2014, 02:59 PM   #62
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Much bigger fan today than when introduced. Always have thought the old 10 round mag limit helped it gain a foot hold. In the end to me though, a pretty efficient useful cartridge much like the 9mm, 308, 223.
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Old August 10, 2014, 03:30 PM   #63
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Used to carry a S&W 4053
Sold my guns off 5 years ago except for a 65-5 3" 357

Started back in 4 months ago

After seeing the comparisons of 9-40- 45 and 357Sig on You Tube
My semi is now a S&W MP9C
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Old August 10, 2014, 04:03 PM   #64
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I traded my 229 for a 220 back in the spring, so I'm back in the hunt for something that can shoot 40, so my factory ammo has a mate.

I'm kinda leaning more toward a G20 with a conversion barrel. (spent lots of time behind one this summer)

My next question about the 40 is....do they all require the "bulge buster" treatment before reloading? My RCBS carbide dies just don't seem to get the job done at the base.
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Old August 10, 2014, 04:34 PM   #65
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During the last (current?) ammo crisis I couldn't find much of anything but .40 range ammo. Good enough reason to have one.
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Old August 10, 2014, 04:49 PM   #66
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10 years ago I was in high school so I didn't have much of an opinion on the .40 at the time. But I have always felt the same about the .40 as I do now. My 9mm does everything the .40 does with less recoil while allowing me to carry more rounds. I can put more shots on target quicker and with better accuracy with a 9mm than a .40 in the same platform. On paper the .40 may look better, in the real world as far as stopping threats it's simply not.
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Old August 10, 2014, 05:08 PM   #67
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Just because the difference between 9mm, .40, .45, .357 are small, it doesn't mean there is no difference.

.40 is a more lethal round. There is no scientific way of saying if that small increase is a good or bad bargain for a small decrease in capacity. For police, it is probably worthwhile. For people who buy their own pistols and bullets, maybe not.
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Old August 10, 2014, 06:19 PM   #68
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I agree with the many posts who say repeatedly and somewhat emphatically that the "extra" difference a .40 S&W may provide over the current top-tier 9mm loads is of very little consequence, if anything at all.

However, if we set the way back machine's dial to 1990, it is certainly true that the track record of the 9mm was quite spotty.

Back then, things were a little different.
We did not have NEARLY the bullet technology we have today.
We definitely did not have the propellant technology, either.

We also did not have nearly as many well done studies on handguns and their use in stopping people in the act of evil. We most certainly did not have nearly the level of training in 1990, and that goes for civilians even more than for LE, but it is true for both.

I firmly believe the gap between 9mm and .40 S&W was larger in 1990 than it is now. And you also have to wonder if .45 might not be quite as popular these days if the '94-'04 AWB didn't limit 9mm and .40cal handguns to 10-rounds. That certainly boosted the popularity of the .45 in this role.

There was a time in the late 80s/early 90s when my face would curl up at even the mention of the 9mm, and this was due to the fact that all of the "gun talk" there was in my world was gun magazines and the chatter I would hear in the skeet house, rifle range or over the pancake breakfast at the Sportsman's Club.

Some of the folks posting now that champion the current ability of the 9mm (and I'm with you) may not have lived through the era where anyone who knew ANYTHING believed that the 9mm was nothing more than a liability with a whole heap of ammo on board. It seemed to not only be a "bad stopper" but it almost seemed to reinforce REALLY bad shooting by not being near good enough, but by throwing a helluva lot more lead at the problem.

The 9mm that we know as capable today...
did not have that reputation for a long stretch there a couple decades back. And that era and those ideas SPAWNED the .40 S&W.
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Old August 10, 2014, 06:34 PM   #69
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I see this stuff about how good 9mm is now, and I don't understand it.

Which amazing bullets or powders do we have now that were't around 25 years ago?

For instance, Black Talon/Ranger SXT goes back to 1991. I believe Gold Dots are from 1995. Which rounds are night and day better than these?
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:03 PM   #70
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Those loads came well after all the hoopla surrounding the failures of the 9mm which was -THE- hot topic in the late 80s. The Miami FBI event was one of the big events that got the subject really rolling hot and that was in 1986.

The story of the 10mm and the .40 S&W and the 9mm's role which helped precipitate their use in LE is well documented. Much of it STILL littered far more with opinion than measurable fact, just as it was back in the 1980s.
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:13 PM   #71
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Just because the difference between 9mm, .40, .45, .357 are small, it doesn't mean there is no difference.

.40 is a more lethal round. There is no scientific way of saying if that small increase is a good or bad bargain for a small decrease in capacity. For police, it is probably worthwhile. For people who buy their own pistols and bullets, maybe not.
There is a difference between those rounds, but in the real world that marginal difference means absolutely nothing. The .40 is not a more lethal round as studies have shown, as far as stopping threats the .40 is no better than 9mm.

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I see this stuff about how good 9mm is now, and I don't understand it.

Which amazing bullets or powders do we have now that were't around 25 years ago?
Better hollowpoint designs, it's as simple as that. Hollowpoint bullets of today are able to expand more reliably while penetrating deeper than those of the past.
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:17 PM   #72
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If Ranger is as old as .40, what happened more recently that makes 9mm as good as .40?

Which loads are we talking about?
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:21 PM   #73
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If Ranger is as old as .40, what happened more recently that makes 9mm as good as .40?
Besides the major improvements in hollowpoint designs, as more people were shot with the .40, more statistics were available. As people compiled these statistics, and compared them to other calibers, they came to the conclusion that when stopping threats, 9mm, .40, and .45 for example are all pretty much equal.

.308 and 30-06 are both great rounds for hunting deer. While the 30-06 may be more "powerful", it doesn't make the deer any deader, and doesn't drop it any faster. It's the same with 9mm, .40, and .45. They all kill 2 legged predators just as well as the next.
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:23 PM   #74
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I keep seeing how bullet tech and powder tech has made the 9mm the equal of the .40,.45 and .357. but every bit of that same tech is used in the .40, .45, and .357 so that tells me all those calibers are still that much better than the 9mm and all that really matters in the end is placement, yeah the 9mm does the job but i feel the rest each do it a bit better and as far as recoil goes if you cant handle it go smaller until you can. I own and shoot all of them but my .40 goes everywhere I do
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Old August 10, 2014, 07:26 PM   #75
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I keep seeing how bullet tech and powder tech has made the 9mm the equal of the .40,.45 and .357. but every bit of that same tech is used in the .40, .45, and .357 so that tells me all those calibers are still that much better than the 9mm and all that really matters in the end is placement, yeah the 9mm does the job but i feel the rest each do it a bit better and as far as recoil goes if you cant handle it go smaller until you can. I own and shoot all of them but my .40 goes everywhere I do
It's real easy to look on paper and say, "oh this round must be better than this". It's this amount heavier, this much faster, and this much larger. All that doesn't mean a thing until it is put to test in the real world, and real world results show that when stopping threats, the 9mm, .40, and .45 work equally as well and achieve the same end result.
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