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Old August 9, 2014, 11:38 AM   #26
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High end .40 loads are quite a bit more powerful then even +p+ 9mm loads. It's funny to see people complain about snappiness and then state there's no advantage over the 9mm. Do you not realize that "snap" is due to the increased power of the round?

Let's take a look at Underwood's cream of the crop loads for comparison

+p 124gr 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1225 fps
Muzzle Energy: 413 ft. lbs.

+p+ 124gr 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs.

155gr .40 s&w
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 582 ft. lbs

Most people wont even bother with +p+, so compared to +p that's about 27% more energy delivered. Usually you only give up about 12% ammo capacity going with .40
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Old August 9, 2014, 11:50 AM   #27
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No. Not at all. Now I find myself wanting a gun in .40S&W. 10 years ago I had no such desire.
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Old August 9, 2014, 11:59 AM   #28
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Yup. I thought .40 was a decent round 10 years ago and still think it's a decent round. I still like 9mm, 10mm, and 45acp too.

About the only round I feel a little differently about today than 10 years ago is .380. I have a tad bit more respect for .380 today.
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Old August 9, 2014, 12:07 PM   #29
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I don't think that 40 is as much fun to shoot as 9, 38 super or 45 due to snap/shock. And it's probably psychological but I don't find I'm as accurate with 40, save a good experience with a USP. Thus, I only have one pistol in 40. I concede that it's more powerful than 9 or 45. I think it's a fantastic do-all round and bridge-gapper for those that shoot it, I just don't enjoy shooting them. I do CCW the 40 sometimes, though. It's just not a range caliber for me.
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Old August 9, 2014, 12:35 PM   #30
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.40 S&W

I still like my .40 s&w as much as I always have. I have two and shoot them regularly. If you load them hot then the recoil is severe. If you load them moderately they are no more abusive than a 9mm or 45acp. They are accurate, especially if loaded properly.
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Old August 9, 2014, 12:54 PM   #31
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Yeah, I still feel the same about it. It still isn't for me.

If I want double stack capacity, I want double stack capacity. That would be 9mm.

If I want slim concealable, I want slim concealable. That would also be 9mm.

If I want diameter, I want diameter. That would be .45ACP.

.40 S&W really doesn't do anything for me that something else doesn't do better.
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Old August 9, 2014, 01:17 PM   #32
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When .40 came out I felt that the cartridge design was a big compromise - the short ogive of the bullet and high pressure was not at all forgiving of the guns it was initially chambered to.

Now I think the guns have mostly caught up, but the .40 case design still asks a lot of the gun. If you're going to replace a cartridge like 9mm, you could at least emulate the feeding and case strength of 9mm while you're at it.


At IDPA clubs, .40 used to be really popular. Now it seems to be in the minority to 9mm and .45. Either a lot of people bought gamer guns, or less folks are using .40 in general.
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Old August 9, 2014, 01:54 PM   #33
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I like it, not for any advantages it may have, but because it gives my collection more diversity when ammo is scarce and 40 is all I can find.
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Old August 9, 2014, 01:56 PM   #34
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For sub compact carry, I use 9mm. For compact/almost full size carry (winter) I still like my XD40.
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Old August 9, 2014, 02:08 PM   #35
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made more 40 than anything

Nope; still wish it had been market-stomped by the superior 41 AE.
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Old August 9, 2014, 04:16 PM   #36
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I should have mentioned that I've always had an underlying (unadmitted!) appreciate for the success of the .40 S&W as it's popularity has quite simply guaranteed that I'll never have a problem finding component bullets for handloading the 10mm Auto which I prefer.

If WESHOOT2 had gotten his way, I'd be the poor schmuck left searching for oddball .400" slugs.
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Old August 9, 2014, 04:18 PM   #37
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I just thought this would make a nice topic with many different angles of view. Like someone stated I do not want this to be a caliber war. I have never owned a 40 S&W always had 45acp and 9metric but that will soon change.
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Old August 9, 2014, 04:28 PM   #38
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Haha, "9 metric"
Can't say I've come across that term before.

Neat. We could use another term for 9mm. We've only got like four or so, I say we build a collection of 'em!
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Old August 9, 2014, 04:38 PM   #39
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The 40 S&W is a compromise round that gives a little larger caliber than the 9mm and performance of a mild 10mm. That was the intention when it came out and that still seems to be unchanged. I think it is as effective as any of the other common service pistol rounds so if one likes it, it should work fine for them.

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Old August 9, 2014, 04:55 PM   #40
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10 years ago, I could care less about .40S&W. Now I have 4 of them.
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Old August 9, 2014, 04:58 PM   #41
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Old August 9, 2014, 04:58 PM   #42
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I guess I don't feel the same. I bought one, seemed a good idea at the time but decided that I have 9mm and 45ACP so there is no need for a 40, traded it for a sub compact 9mm.
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Old August 9, 2014, 05:07 PM   #43
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Yep 9metric, 9Kiser, the .354, and the 9natzi. Thats all i know.
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Old August 9, 2014, 05:25 PM   #44
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The success of the .40 S&W has guaranteed component bullets for handloading the 10mm Auto. (paraphrased)
I never thought of that before. Good point. Makes one wonder where the 10mm would be right now if there were no 40. Which is a shame because the 10mm is a great round in its own right. And yes, I'm aware (well aware, actually) of the recoil - but I still don't understand why it's not more popular.

The 40 is a great round too. I've shot a couple. Seems a good compromise between power and control. I don't own a 40; but I'm certainly not opposed to it. I just chose to go with the 10mm Auto.
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Old August 9, 2014, 05:40 PM   #45
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but I still don't understand why it's not more popular.
^with regards to 10mm.

I think it's a simple answer. The popular rounds (especially in service sized pistols) have all had the benefit of widespread police or military use. The 10mm's service career was just a scattered footnote in history, comparable to the .357 Sig.

There are, IMO, two distinct levels of semi-auto cartridge popularity, with one half-way in between. You've got 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 on the top tier for obvious reasons we don't even need to discuss.

You've got all the "standardized" rounds in the lower tier that simply won't ever make it with the big three. 10mm, .357 Sig, .38 Super, .25/.32 ACP, 9x18 Mak, .45 GAP, .50AE and some others with a bit of argument.

In that slim slot right between would be, IMO, the .380 Auto.
The .380 Auto was solidly in the same second-level group just 10-15 years ago before the concealed carry wave that swept this nation and saw a public demand for smallish, concealable pistols. But it has had a meteoric rise due specifically to tiny carry guns. It's a pretty interesting feat for a cartridge that's been around as long as it has.
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Old August 9, 2014, 07:17 PM   #46
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I think it is because the Moros needed 11mm bullets to be stopped. 10mm isn't going to do it.



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Old August 9, 2014, 09:49 PM   #47
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Just wondering if folks feel the same way about the 40 S&W as you did say 10 years ago?
I had absolutely no desire to buy one 10 years ago and I have no desire to do so now.
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Old August 9, 2014, 09:56 PM   #48
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Just wondering if folks feel the same way about the 40 S&W as you did say...

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Old August 10, 2014, 12:04 AM   #49
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Yes

10 years ago I hated it, as it had the worst of both worlds of recoil: combining the snap of the 9 with the long push of the 45, with the feel of a twist added for good measure.

Abandoned it and stuck with 9 and .45.

3 years ago picked up a couple of .40s to just round out my range toy bag.

Tried them out and came to realize I can actually hit something with them now.

I still dislike the kick more than the other 2, and still use the other 2 calibers more, but I now feel comfortable enough with it to use it.

in the last 10 years I got rid of a nasty flinch habit a .40 caused in me. Of course, it was the result of it being the first handgun caliber I ever bought and never being able to practice at a distance less than 20 yards. 10 years of shooting other calibers and my control is good enough to handle it now.

Still don't recommend it for new shooters. Still respect its' capabilities. Still don't enjoy shooting it as much as other calibers. But I am now willing to use it and/or carry one. THAT is a HUGE change!
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Old August 10, 2014, 12:43 AM   #50
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About 18 years ago, I was handed a Glock 35, six magazines and new leather gear. I had to give up my Wilson Master Grade .45 that I had been carrying for the previous 10 years.

That was my introduction to the .40 and Glock. Carried one on duty ever since. It's a perfectly acceptable combo.
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