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Old August 6, 2014, 03:49 PM   #1
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25 acp Ammo

if you were to conceal carry an 25 acp which ammo would you use for

"Self Defense"
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Old August 6, 2014, 04:06 PM   #2
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Ball FMJ.
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Old August 6, 2014, 04:41 PM   #3
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^^^ What Wil said. With this cartridge, you need every little bit of penetration you can get. Most of the gel tests I've seen indicate that the common commercial .25ACP expanding loads (Winchester Super-X 45gr, Hornady Critical Defense 35gr XTP, and Fiocchi 35gr XTP) only penetrate around 7", which just doesn't cut it IMHO.

Furthermore, the case is semi-rimmed, and the XTP loads are a good deal shorter than standard 50gr FMJ, so there's a risk of double-feed jams in certain guns. If the gun is a tip-up- which is common in this caliber- a double-feed is very difficult to clear quickly, particularly under stress. In some cases, it's basically impossible without a spare mag, and this assumes the pistol will readily feed the top round by hand-cycling the slide, which is hard to do with some tip-ups.

That said, my Beretta 950BS Jetfire has cycled two boxes of Hornady CD's flawlessly, but I still won't carry them due to the penetration issue.
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Old August 6, 2014, 05:10 PM   #4
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Friends dont let friends carry a 25, unless you hit them just right it will just pi** them off.
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Old August 6, 2014, 06:02 PM   #5
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That is a very irresponsible statement. People have been getting killed with .25 autos for over a hundred years. Reading stupid statements p**ses me off!
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Old August 6, 2014, 06:07 PM   #6
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We reload with of 50 gr of fmj. Although a small caliber, it's is easy to carry and two magazines of six will not fail to make a loud and violent impression on an evil doer.

In my way of thinking, be it from a fencing foil, which is about the same diameter of a .25 or a .22, any puncture wound to the chest area will be a terror to the victim, and considered as a likely mortal wound and would set said person to thinking about their quickly approaching afterlife and where the nearest doctor may be located.
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Old August 6, 2014, 06:41 PM   #7
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I'm with Bill on that. ANY gun, even an airgun, can kill under the right conditions and anyone shot with a .25 ACP will be killed or seriously wounded, not just ticked off!

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Old August 6, 2014, 06:41 PM   #8
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Two shots of .25 caliber is the same as one shot of .50 caliber, right?
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Old August 6, 2014, 08:34 PM   #9
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Its not the most powerful caliber out there but its the best if thats all you have when you need it. Still much better than throwing rocks or talking harshly. Also, I have NEVER seen anyone step up to take 7" of .25 caliber lead to show it would "only" tick them off.

Agree that hard ball seems to be best penetration from tests I seen. Use only good quality hard ball...not cheap low velocity.
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Old August 6, 2014, 08:50 PM   #10
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What ever functions 100% in your 25. The #1 concern being that it works every time, all the time! Leaning toward fmj for penetration, and it would most likely be the most reliable feeding ammo as well.
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Old August 6, 2014, 09:26 PM   #11
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Old August 7, 2014, 05:20 AM   #12
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FMJ, the .25acp will penetrate deep enough to hit the vitals. while quick incapacitation is not likely, the cessation of the assault will most likely ensue.
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Old August 7, 2014, 08:18 AM   #13
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The .25 is just like any other pistol, know it's capabilities and limitations, use it appropriately and you should be fine. As far as bullet, first find one that feeds reliably.
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Old August 7, 2014, 10:00 AM   #14
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FMJ for certain,,,

FMJ for certain,,,
After that it's what feed well.

My little Taurus 25-PLY likes Aguilla and Sellier & Bellot,,,
Penetration in a 2 by 4 seems about the same.

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Old August 7, 2014, 10:16 AM   #15
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25 acp Ammo

I'd use fmj. But I don't carry my little Beretta 25. It's more of a range toy than anything for me. Nice little pocket pistol, though. Not a good choice for SD in my view. But don't kid yourselves, that little slug can be lethal. Don't believe the internet bull stories about 25acp rounds bouncing off paper plates or lodging in a peanut butter sandwich.
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Old August 7, 2014, 11:19 AM   #16
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FMJ/Hardball

The expansion of a HP will do nothing, IMO, with the anemic muzzle energy. IMO better off turning that limited energy into penetration to ensure the bullets go deep enough to get a kill with good placement.
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Old August 7, 2014, 04:42 PM   #17
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Well Bill, Ive seen two people shot with 25's while working in the hood and it didnt even go through there winter coat. I dont even trust a 9mm when my lifes involved. I will stick to my 40 or 45 so there's no doubt .
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Old August 7, 2014, 04:54 PM   #18
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Well Bill, Ive seen two people shot with 25's while working in the hood and it didnt even go through there winter coat. I dont even trust a 9mm when my lifes involved. I will stick to my 40 or 45 so there's no doubt .
ive heard some of these stories over the years and I have to wonder, in what condition was the ammo? ive taken quite a few guns off of bad guys and only a few times was there what I would call fresh ammo. usually the ammo has some brass discoloration due to age or humidity or who knows what.... ive found boxes of ammo in car trunks that had some kind of oil or grease leaked on them... based on the box.

I cant imagine good condition .25acp fmj ammo punching through leather wrapped 2x4s but then not penetrating a leather coat alone.

check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raJM8b4KXg0
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Old August 7, 2014, 05:15 PM   #19
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Yes but its like hunting white tail deer with a 22 hornet, it will kill it but not right away unless you get a well placed shot. In some cases I carry a 25 but it just to keep them off me till I can get to the truck and get something bigger.
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Old August 7, 2014, 05:23 PM   #20
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I used to carry a Beretta 950 .25 with FMJ. It's hardly the ideal but, at the time, it filled a need. I still own it but usually opt for a .380 or SW J-frame .38 if I have to go small.

Lots of people have been killed with a .25 or .22. Lots more have been deterred from doing something bad by the presence of a gun, any gun. See #1 in my sig line.
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Old August 7, 2014, 05:32 PM   #21
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guys with the killing.. Self defense means stopping a Foe from inflicting bodily damage on you. You dont have to Kill to stop a Foe to stop a threat.

Killing is irrelevant, aslong as your Foe retreats and your no longer in danger.

All this .25 bouncing of paper plates and its not a good ammo.
Quote me on this I guarantee you not a single person here would put on a bullet proof vest and still volunteer to get shot by a .25 acp, and if you say you will prove it video and put on youtube,

look at this idiots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tGZq1GT1bw
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Old August 7, 2014, 06:02 PM   #22
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Yes but its like hunting white tail deer with a 22 hornet, it will kill it but not right away unless you get a well placed shot. In some cases I carry a 25 but it just to keep them off me till I can get to the truck and get something bigger.
And then go to jail if the threat was already stopped with the 25, and you got to your truck where you could get away!

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guys with the killing.. Self defense means stopping a Foe from inflicting bodily damage on you. You dont have to Kill to stop a Foe to stop a threat.
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Old August 7, 2014, 06:43 PM   #23
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Well Roughedge, I understand what you're saying and also understand your distain for the .25 ACP. I have also seen people shot with the .25 ACP and as with any cartridge there is no such thing as a one shot stop I once saw a man who was shot 4 times in the chest area with a .45 from a distance of ten feet keep coming. My point? yes ,it is a small cartridge and there are perhaps better ( by choice I carry a ..32 and do not feel under powered or out gunned ), but I have seen the results of being shot with a .25 ACP in the morgue. The .25 can be a deadly little thing and has probably killed more people on the mean streets of our large cities than all the other calibers combined. JMHO and I have others out in the garage.
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Old August 7, 2014, 07:07 PM   #24
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You're right Rjay, It wouldnt be my first choice but its better than nothing. For 15 year I built offices for VIP's and corprate big wheels so most of the doors and some wall was bullet resistant . We done a lot of testing on different material so I know what most bullets will do. I wouldnt put on a vest and let someone shoot it because if its over ten feet its not for sure you can hit the vest and not put my eye out. I bet if you hang a Carhart jacket from a wire and shoot it from 20 yards it may not go through it. If you like the 25 by all means carry it. Ive had mine 14 years and still have half of the original box of ammo because I cant hit nothing with it.
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Old August 7, 2014, 09:58 PM   #25
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Friends dont let friends carry a 25, unless you hit them just right it will just pi** them off.
I agree with that statement a little, BUT, and there always is a BUTT in LIFE, a .25 in your hand whilst some folks guns are too big and heavy on a 95 degree day, thus in their glove box ... may save your life!

Here is a video where I shoot my girlfriends little Beretta Jetfire .25 at 100 yards, and it is even more deadly up close and personal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWLxbLKmR04

holes in the lungs will slow even the best down, and that might be enough to make it back home, but most of the time they will forget why they bothered you in the first place ... threat of death makes cowards of us all!
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