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Old June 18, 2014, 10:00 PM   #1
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suspicious visitor

We had an unusual visitor today. An individual came to the door around noon. He was wearing a LifeLock polo shirt and had an ID badge clipped to it. He asked lots of questions about LifeLock, who lives here and the ADT alarm system. I am home taking a remote class by computer and had to go back to it, so couldn't stay for the whole conversation. My wife said he also wanted to come in and see where the alarm system's console was located. She refused, and we had grown suspicious and didn't give much information up to his questions. The wife said when he left he walked off down the street. He apparently wasn't going door-to-door and hadn't driven to the house. He may have had a vehicle parked up a side street a few blocks away. The wife drove over that way a few minutes later and didn't see him anymore.
What do you think?
Was this a scam for info or recon to check the layout?
We've raised our vigilance regardless.

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Old June 18, 2014, 10:10 PM   #2
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lifelock is nothing more then a po box, a website, and a few commercials. and a rented office somewhere so a secretary can answer the phone.

yes my dear this was a scam.

right now the federal government is up to its bottom dealing with scams of all sorts.
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Old June 18, 2014, 10:12 PM   #3
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Contact LifeLock and ask them. They'll want to know if it's a scam.
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Old June 18, 2014, 10:12 PM   #4
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If you don't know if the person is legit ask for their name and possibly employee number and the phone number to their office and call it.

Lots of criminals pose as legitimate businesses and lots of legitimate business people look like criminals.

Personally I would have shown them the door just like the Jehovah witnesses.
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:13 AM   #5
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"Got a business card?"
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Old June 19, 2014, 09:09 AM   #6
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Why do you open your door to strangers?
Lock the doors, they're coming in the windows.
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Old June 19, 2014, 09:58 AM   #7
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"Got a business card?"
If they've taken the effort to make a polo shirt, they've probably got a business card also....
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Old June 19, 2014, 10:41 AM   #8
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Lifelock is about personal identity theft, not people breaking into your house.

I can find no connection between ADT and Lifelock. One does alarm systems, the other personal identity protection.

No genuine Lifelock representative has any business asking about your alarm system or anything to do with the house.
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Old June 19, 2014, 11:05 AM   #9
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Taken the time to make a polo shirt...

When was the last time you went to a thrift store? The guy probably did not even have to have the shirt made. You can purchase them used at the Good Will and have several in your vehicle.
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Old June 19, 2014, 11:07 AM   #10
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The last time We had a suspicious visitor was when my Wife was at work and my car was in the shop . My wife left so early she left the porch light on and it was now around 11:am . A car load of (in my opinion ) druggies out riding around in the country looking for a place to rob pulled up and came tothedoor . They were surprised when I opened the door . I was surprised when I realized even in daylight I shoud have armed myself if I don't know the people at my door . All I had was my attitude to bluff them away then one of my big hounds came around the corner and helped out they got back in thier car and left . Lesson leared almost the hard way . I thought they were lost teenagers or that paticular cult group that goes house to house trying to recruit members until they became agresive if you talk to LEO's about the worst crime scenes they go to its home invasions gone bad when the thugs find someone at home unexpectedly . I think in the op case the visitor was trying to case the house for robbery they have probbly watched trying to learn your routine .
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Old June 19, 2014, 11:36 AM   #11
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It is my 02 also that the person was casing the palace. Where I live this is a 911 call & I would've made good use of it
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Old June 19, 2014, 11:42 AM   #12
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Again I ask, why would you open the door to strangers?
Especially a pack of them, gun or no gun.
Lock the doors, they're coming in the windows.
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:06 PM   #13
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my point was: Take control of the situation. "I'm asking the questions here."

I work in a large distribution center that gets cold-called constantly (and unfortunately my coworkers seem the think I'm in charge of cold-calls) and you have to use the same techniques you do with panhandlers. You have to control the conversation- you have to give the instructions and ask the questions.

And yeah, why answer the door in the first place? Unless I know somebody is coming over they can knock all they want.
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:14 PM   #14
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I might suggest a call/report to your local police. Not an emergency anymore, but they may have heard of this already and your info might be helpful. Or they might have had others call and know it's not a scam (which I think he was casing it for a robbery as well).

Can't hurt to contact police in this situation (IMHO).
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:14 PM   #15
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it's nice having a gate about 100 yards from the door. always carry. even at home.
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:16 PM   #16
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In the house I am armed, outside I am armed. Glock 19 has 16 rounds ready to go.

I normally go to the door, glass door.

I can open the door, the screen door is closed. Happens every 3 months or so.

Our little development has 133 houses, 4 block town houses, one way in, and out.

My Jeep lives inside. It is a marked Security Vehicle, my Son owns a Security Company, I do the Security Patrol (for free, I am on the board) never had any problems for the 5 years we have been here, one break in, the other end, a bad teen lived close, since moved out.

My advice, answer door or not, be armed, reference capacity? "More is better,
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:46 PM   #17
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g.wilikers, things here are not so bad that we need to barricade ourselves inside and hide under the bed. We have windows through which to assess who's there. We also have large dogs and firearms and sometimes we *do* get legitimate visitors, deliveries, etc.

In short, I answered the door to see what he wanted - after seeing there was no immediate threat.
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Old June 19, 2014, 12:51 PM   #18
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Why answer the door? Well, I love hassling Mormons or LDS folks. I know the Book better than they do... Assign homework, invite them back. They never come back. I think some convert. I also love hassling telemarketers and surveys.... Long frustrating conversations... I make THEM disconnect.

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Old June 19, 2014, 03:33 PM   #19
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I have a window where I can see the front porch, so I can tell who, and how many are at the door.
I open the door with my right hand and have a pistol in my left behind my back (I'm left handed)If I want the discussion to end I move my hand out from behind my back and they usually get the message and leave.
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Old June 19, 2014, 04:44 PM   #20
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MikeG -

First and foremost question. Was this guy selling Lifelock identity theft protection OR was he selling Lifelock security devices?

If it was the former - You were cased and interviewed. Lifelock is an identity theft prevention / credit monitoring service. There's no way in hell that anyone working for Lifelock would want to see your ADT security system. Also, what kind of questions was this guy asking?

If this guy was selling Lifelock security devices (the door stop kind), then there may be some legitimacy. Again, what kind of questions?

I am a firm believer that everyone should carry a little something even around their home. It takes a lot more time running for the bedroom for the nightstand gun.
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Old June 19, 2014, 05:02 PM   #21
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I’d say you did the right thing by being suspicious. I had a guy come to my door two summers ago and wanted to clean my living room carpet for free. I asked, FREE? He said yep, and when he does such a good job, people ask him to continue with other rooms, then he gets paid. I looked out into my driveway and saw an old rusty cargo van with two other guys sitting in it. Shady looking, all three of them. I said no thanks I have my own carpet cleaner (which I do). Before he got back to his van I was on the phone with the police. Mine was the third call that day about the same crew. A few minutes later a squad car drove slowly by my home, but the carpet cleaners were gone. I have no idea if they ever caught up to them.
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Old June 19, 2014, 06:04 PM   #22
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mike38 I had the same thing happen to me except it was a lady and a man( well thats all i saw at least) the lady was pretty persistent on letting her clean my carpets. a little too persistent for me to believe they were legit.
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Old June 19, 2014, 06:13 PM   #23
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I always immediately and politely tell anyone coming to the door that we never do business with, or give money to, anyone coming to the door and then ask him politely to immediately leave my property. If he continues to jabber at me, I become increasingly less polite.

The only exception is neighbors coming around with their kids, particularly during Girl Scout Cookie season.
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Old June 19, 2014, 06:26 PM   #24
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well, yeah, girl scouts get a pass (as long as they aren't 6-2 and kinda hairy). everyone else.....hope you were invited up, because the gate is closed for a reason.

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Old June 19, 2014, 06:30 PM   #25
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I know you often dont think of it at the time but if you could snap a pic with your phone and catch a plate on the car your would have something to call in. You were smart enough not to let him in. Good instincts!
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