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Old June 9, 2014, 08:24 AM   #1
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Remington's "Ultimate Muzzleloader" model 700 Questions

I put this here because this ultra inline ML has little if anything to do with "Black Powder"

1. Which case does it use? It says it uses a "modified brass case" without specifying what cartridge. If it's not a standard case, then forget it. Don't need any more proprietary crap than I have to get into.

2. Is this going to be a "firearm" under federal law like the Savage 10? I bet it will handle smokeless loads, but they didn't want to advertise it as such, to avoid it being a firearm like the Savage 10, which hurts sales.

But bottom line, if the brass cases are not proprietary, then me likey.
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Old June 9, 2014, 11:24 AM   #2
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For a new A/made muzzle loader it certainly has potential according to its stat's.

Its MSRP is a little steep. But, when dealer discounted. This rifle should end up being ball park acceptable in its pricing.

As read no modern powder capability's which may be disappointing to some hoping for a better Savage model 10MZ-ll type. But I can understand why Rem shied away from modern powder use in their rifle. Although Remington's ignition system kind'a reminds me of what PR Bullets up in Canada invented & developed for use on T/C Encores & Omega's years ago.

Wouldn’t surprise me their cartridge shell of choice will be required. Maybe something like the 35 Rem. Which as no straight up parent cartridge.

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Old June 9, 2014, 06:17 PM   #3
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That one you linked to uses a shortened .22 hornet case. If it's something like that, I will probably pass, depending on what they cost in bulk.

Some of these types of ignition systems use .32 acp cases, IIRC - that's reasonable.
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Old June 9, 2014, 10:32 PM   #4
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ignition system uses a uniquely-sized brass case with a Remington 9 ½ large magnum rifle primer
As far as Remington's choice for their rifles primer brass. As stated it will be something special perhaps custom made even.
I'm sure as their rifle becomes more & more available at some point we all will know just what brass Remington chose for this project.

Like you Unlicensed Dremel I have no need for such a advanced rifle either. Maybe like you. I'm comfortable with what I already have also.
BTW interesting topic Sir. Enjoyed the read on those Links you provided.
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Old June 10, 2014, 09:50 AM   #5
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My FIL uses a Rem 700 ML. Good gun, accurate and reliable. Check your state regulations. Washington does not allow modern primer systems for ML hunting.

My opinion, that ignition system looks like a giant PITA. It adds a step to the reloading process, and you have to re-prime the brass. I don't care to do all that for muzzle loading. I like that I have to get close, choose my shot, keep my primer dry, and only have 1 shot.
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Old June 10, 2014, 09:58 AM   #6
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Just my gut feeling but I suspect that this "NEW", MML, will go the way of the CVA Electra. ....

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Old June 10, 2014, 11:24 AM   #7
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If they'd made it use smokeless powder, they'd really have something there. As it is, it's just another muzzleloader. I don't really care how they light it if it's still burning charcoal.
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Old June 10, 2014, 02:38 PM   #8
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Just my gut feeling but I suspect that this "NEW", MML, will go the way of the CVA Electra. ....
Same here.

After all, using a centerfire casing/primer as an ignition source in an inline is nothing new.
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