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Old May 28, 2014, 12:12 PM   #1
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Caliber for coyote and raccoons.

A coworker of mine who lives out in a very rural area has decided with her husband that they want to get a gun for nuisance raccoons and coyotes that they've been getting recently. Since I'm the gun nut at work she asked me what she should get as far as kind of gun, caliber, etc.. My thought was a 223 bolt action, or if they are concerned about recoil (they're both older and his health isn't that great) a 22 wmr bolt action for something with a little less kick. Another coworker (they guy everyone "loves" because he's an expert on everything) said a 22lr rifle would be plenty, saying it could kill the raccoons and scare away the coyotes. Probably true, and a 22lr could kill one with a well placed shot, but for someone new to shooting I'd rather have something with a little more power that doesn't require a perfectly placed shot, and I have a problem with shooting to scare/wound.
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Old May 28, 2014, 12:23 PM   #2
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If I wanted to shoot a raccoon and a yote the options are endless. Pretty much only controlled by price, amount of use, and how good of a shot they are.

I probably wouldn't get a 22lr unless I had some high velocity shells and did head shots. But if they're not going to do anything with the pelts then a 22 magnum up to 30 caliber would do fine. Could even go the simple route and get a 20 gauge shotgun.
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Old May 28, 2014, 12:27 PM   #3
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I would say a 204 or 223 bolt gun would be a good choice.
Myself I would choose the 223 because of ammo availability.
Both are low recoil rounds.

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Old May 28, 2014, 12:33 PM   #4
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What distance ? I use a rem 700 in 22-250 but also a marlin xt 17hmr . The 22-250 is of course very nice but I also really like the 17 hmr, very light, no recoil, very accurate
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Old May 28, 2014, 12:35 PM   #5
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Ya, my first thought was 20 gauge, but the recoil issue came up. I still think they'd be fine but she seems set on a rifle.

Distance is probably 100 yards and under. I did mention the 17 hmr as well, my brother in law has one and that thing can do some damage.
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Old May 28, 2014, 12:43 PM   #6
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Yeah, I bought that one to hunt bobcat (not successful yet calling them in) but have shot varmint with it and it does very well.
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Old May 28, 2014, 10:46 PM   #7
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I'd go .223, myself. its cheap, available and low recoil. I can find .223 any time I go to walmart, but I have not seen .22 l/r on the shelf anywhere in the past year. I rarely see any rimfire.
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Old May 28, 2014, 11:54 PM   #8
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i shot a racoon with a .22lr and it droped on the spot.cci mini mag ammo.it was on my porch and raiding the garbage can,so it was about 4 feet away.i cant say what it would do at 25 or 50 yards if your hunting racoons.a 22mag might be better
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Old May 29, 2014, 12:27 AM   #9
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17 hmr for an older couple. Devastating close range...bullet won't over penetrate through foliage. No recoil and quieter than 223. Same price per 50 and easily available ammo. Guns are cheap also. Savage runs 200.00 so a better deal also.
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Old May 29, 2014, 01:41 AM   #10
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17 HMR for their needs.

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Old May 29, 2014, 06:28 AM   #11
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Dare I say it?

How about 243? A little more variety in ammo, and over the last couple years, when 223 was unavailable I have been able to source 243 ammo easily.
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Old May 29, 2014, 06:41 AM   #12
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Pretty much all Illinois is rural. 17HMR for our critters.
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Old May 29, 2014, 06:45 AM   #13
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The one question I would ask is where they are going to be shooting them? If they are on the ground a small center fire of anything would be fine, if they are going to be shooting Coons out of the trees they would have to be careful on where that round could go if it misses.
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Old May 29, 2014, 08:05 AM   #14
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I have to say that a light weight AR15 with frangible ammo is probably the very best tool for that kind of job. Almost no recoil, flat shooting and easy to use. The high velocity with 45-50 grain bullets makes the bullets shatter on impact with the ground or most objects making the round safer than most others. Ammo is available (for now anyway).
Cost is higher then a 22 lr, but for what you are describing, I believe an AR would cover the bases better than most other arms.
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Old May 29, 2014, 03:31 PM   #15
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Based on what I know (or think I know) these days, I think that a Ruger American compact or a Tikka T3 lite stainless in 223 would be just about the perfect rifle for all around coyote, Raccoon, Armadillo, and pig eradication. Both rifles are accurate, light, easy to handle, and simple to operate and maintain.
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Old May 29, 2014, 03:46 PM   #16
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Hunting ammo in 223 are more expensive, cant use fmj for hunting
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Old May 29, 2014, 05:31 PM   #17
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Except for perfect shot placement, a 22LR could cause a Coyote to suffer for maybe days before it dies. Not even Coyotes deserve to suffer. Clean humane kills for any animal is a good rule to live by.

Just about anything bigger than a 22LR will do the job on a Coyote. Like others said, If shooting coons out of trees be careful of the missed shots (what goes up must come down). A good shotgun is great for tree shooting.

Maybe a Savage combo gun (one rifle barrel / one shotgun barrel) would be just the ticket.
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Old May 29, 2014, 07:38 PM   #18
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If shotgun rifle combo is an option Rossi makes several two or three barrel sets. And they pack away nicely. I think the 22lr/20 gauge combo is around $150. But I know the three offers a decent rifle. But that's only if they can't choose between a rifle or shotgun.

I guess another factor also matters. How much are they willing to spend? A frugal person may want something bare bones not to upset the bank. Or they might want the best money can buy.
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Old May 29, 2014, 08:03 PM   #19
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my vote goes to the 223 bolt gun, ruger american or savage axis.
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Old May 29, 2014, 08:39 PM   #20
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Ruger 10/22. Ten rounds oughta be plenty into any raccoon. Simple enough: "Shoot 'til he quits."
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Old May 29, 2014, 09:38 PM   #21
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+1 on the 22's and coons. The 22 might not be the best yote round going but you can bet if it's what I have at the time, I'm slinging one or ten its way. Ground that has already been covered in previous threads.

Far as outright hunting for yotes, I use a 243 cause its what I have but think I'd opt for the 223 if I had one.
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Old May 30, 2014, 06:08 AM   #22
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Is this person going to be hunting or "removing pests"?

FMJ might not be a problem with the second but then again what's the price of a box of hunting 223. Sure it can't be enough to break the bank. Practice with FMJ and hunt with the good stuff.
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Old May 30, 2014, 06:41 AM   #23
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Since the distance is 100 yds or less, I'd go with a rimfire. Probably a .22mag in an inexpensive bolt gun.
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Old May 30, 2014, 10:05 AM   #24
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Keep in mind: "(they're both older and his health isn't that great)" from the opening post. And, they're fairly ignorant about guns.

Pestiferous raccoons and coyotes? How? In what way? Do these people raise poultry? Are they concerned about coyotes vs. pets?

Are the raccoons trying to get into the house, or make a den under it? Are the coyotes coming in close, in the yard? Or are they merely seen at a distance?

Absent a poultry/pet problem, me, I'd just look, smile and otherwise ignore.
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Old May 30, 2014, 12:50 PM   #25
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When the varmits get after my chickens its a Ruger 10/22 with scope and flashlight .
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