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Old May 16, 2014, 05:48 PM   #1
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Rock Island Armscor M22 - Ruger 10/22 clone

Armscor M22, copy of Ruger 10/22, is now available in US. SOG lists it at $160. Anyone try it yet? Opinion?

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Old May 16, 2014, 07:57 PM   #2
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ruger's patents must be up on the 10/22 because there sure are a plethora of copycats springing up all of a sudden. the way I see it, it's a 10/22... only it's a 10/22 that's not built by a company that's been building them for decades. instead it's a 10/22 built by a company that has no experience building them before. for an extra $40 you could get a Ruger 10/22 so why waste the money on a copycat?

also, the mags do not look like ruger type mags, they look proprietary so in the end the costs would even out after buying a couple extra mags.
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Old May 16, 2014, 09:09 PM   #3
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I agree. What's the point? The $40 difference in price isn't even enough to buy a brick of .22LR these days.
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Old May 16, 2014, 09:18 PM   #4
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Even with the "plastic" parts on current 10/22's, I'd still pay the diff to have the Ruger logo and mag(mostly the mag).
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Old May 17, 2014, 08:34 AM   #5
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After shipping and FFL fee, probably cost more than buying a Ruger at WalMart!
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Old May 17, 2014, 09:08 AM   #6
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Rugers business model for the last decade hasn't included making the best possible 10/22 for the price, and I say that as someone who likes Ruger.
Two years ago, I stumbled into a NIB 10/22 made in 1965. It is a fantastic, all metal, walnut stocked beauty which shoots dime sized 10 shot groups at 50yds using Blazer bulk ammo.
The Sears price tag on the box from 1965 says $59.99...
This is the 10/22 which built the reputation of this rifle.
I spend a lot of time on a couple 10/22 forums, and the problems I read about with new 10/22's are discouraging.
Even when they work properly, accuracy is wanting. Sometimes it seems that most users buy a 10/22 with the intention of building their own rifle...scrapping the barrel and stock, replacing or working the trigger, bolt trueing, etc. a lot of times, they end up with a rifle that shoots groups like my stock 1965 version.
As far as Armscor goes, I think that if a foreign company could sell a clone 10/22 emulating the early version I have, and sell it for a reasonable price, Ruger might have cause to worry.
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Old May 17, 2014, 09:34 AM   #7
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interesting. just about everyone in my family has a 10/22. I've shot my 2008-ish 1022 alongside rifles from the early 2000s, 90s, and 80s, aside from the finish moving to paint and trigger group housing being plastic, there is little to no practical difference in the performance of the 10/22s of today and of the last 30 years. times are tough and everyone's had to resort to cost saving efforts to keep prices down for consumers.
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Old May 17, 2014, 12:29 PM   #8
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I own more than a couple of 10/22s and they are from a wide variety of manufacturing years... no lemons in the bunch.

I really see no need to take jobs and money away from American workers just to save $30-40 on a new 10/22. I'd rather buy a new Ruger built in North Carolina, than some knock-off from off-shore, built in a country that really doesn't much care for the USA to begin with, only our money.

If I really need one for less, there are lots of used guns to be found.
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Old May 17, 2014, 02:38 PM   #9
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I really see no need to take jobs and money away from American workers just to save $30-40 on a new 10/22. I'd rather buy a new Ruger built in North Carolina, than some knock-off from off-shore, built in a country that really doesn't much care for the USA to begin with, only our money.
At the same time....
Why should you buy a rifle from a company that no longer cares about quality and consistency of the product - only your money?

Ruger has really let the 10/22 slide. It is just a shadow of its former self.
They're no longer selling the 10/22 that the name was built on. Rather, they're selling a cheap, rough, unfinished lump of crap, that is a 10/22 only by name.
It's all about maximizing profit.
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Old May 17, 2014, 06:38 PM   #10
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The 10/22's are still that good; However ????

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Why should you buy a rifle from a company that no longer cares about quality and consistency of the product - only your money?
A bit over the top but for the most part, I have to agree with you. I have followed their negative changes with disappointment and a question I keep asking, is; what next?? It's getting harder to remain a 10/22 fan. I'm just glad that I have reduced the herd, to three and soon to be four as I'm selling my international. I still think that they are that good but, until the next generation to come. ....

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. I'd rather buy a new Ruger built in North Carolina, than some knock-off from off-shore, built in a country that really doesn't much care for the USA to begin with, only our money.

If I really need one for less, there are lots of used guns to be found.
Did not know there was a ruger factory in north Carolina
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Old May 17, 2014, 08:14 PM   #12
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I was under the impression that it was all in arizona.
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Old May 18, 2014, 08:28 AM   #13
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Ruger's NC plant is in Mayodan:

http://www.ruger.com/news/2014-03-14.html

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In September 2013, Ruger finalized the purchase of a 220,000 square foot facility in Mayodan, NC. This was the Company's first major expansion in over 25 years...
There isn't a single model of firearm, in production since 1964, which hasn't undergone changes. Not one. Usually this means less hand-fitting and finishing, different materials (synthetics in place of cast alloys, etc.)

I've been buying and using 10/22s since the late 70s and I've bought two this year that were NIB. No trouble with either. I don't buy standard carbines as I've never liked the curved butt plate (whether made from aluminum or plastic).

The synthetic trigger group doesn't bother me as it responds to tuning as well as the pot-metal version did, and in fact it doesn't show finish wear when you use them hard.

The factory barrels I find to be better fitted these days, and no less accurate than the guns I have from the 80s. I ilke the laminated stocks better than the walnut versions as mine all go to the woods and the laminate shrugs off nicks and dings better.
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Old May 18, 2014, 09:47 AM   #14
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"Why should you buy a rifle from a company that no longer cares about quality and consistency of the product - only your money"

In defense of Ruger, they're producing what the market(buyers) desire. A price point rifle that's "good enough" for the average buyer.
I don't have a 10/22 less than 10 years old BUT I do have several barrels and stocks from the 1970-1990 range. The fact that any/all these parts interchange makes me all warm and fuzzy plus, they all shoot fine.
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Old May 18, 2014, 10:46 AM   #15
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A look at the Armscor blurb indicates that, while the rifle is shipped with a Butler Creek vertical stack magazine, the Ruger rotary and after market high cap mags fit.
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Old May 18, 2014, 11:34 AM   #16
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Although the standard 10/22 available at walmart is "cheaper" than the old ones, you can still get pretty nice NIB ones that are distributor exclusives. You are going to pay a fair bit more though.
The 10/22 I have has worked well for me, but doesn't impress me a the end of the day. I have been seriously considering a buckmark and carbine to replace my MK III and 10/22 for sometime.
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Old June 7, 2014, 11:40 AM   #17
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Although the standard 10/22 available at walmart is "cheaper" than the old ones, you can still get pretty nice NIB ones that are distributor exclusives. You are going to pay a fair bit more though.
The 10/22 I have has worked well for me, but doesn't impress me a the end of the day. I have been seriously considering a buckmark and carbine to replace my MK III and 10/22 for sometime.
I agree with this statement 100%
Wal-Mart has killed plenty of good products by forcing the manufacture (HARD)
to hit a price point.
Same reason I wont buy a Wally World Bushnell Banner scope.
Its not even close to the Banners I get from my LGS.
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^^^^^What he said^^^^ about the Bushy Banner.
Not a bad scope at all but not from Wally.
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Old June 8, 2014, 03:17 AM   #19
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Although the standard 10/22 available at walmart is "cheaper" than the old ones, you can still get pretty nice NIB ones that are distributor exclusives. You are going to pay a fair bit more though.
Modern 10/22s are also cheaper when you calculate inflation. Someone earlier in the thread said the price tag on a 1965 model 10/22 was $59.99. While that seems cheap today, that is the equivelent of $451.49 in today's money.
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Ruger's NC plant is in Mayodan:

http://www.ruger.com/news/2014-03-14.html
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