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Old March 26, 2014, 08:16 PM   #1
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Red Dot for pistols ?

Does anyone use Red Dot anymore for pistol ? Dont hear much about loads with it except in the old manuals . Just wondering ?
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Old March 26, 2014, 08:55 PM   #2
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I do.
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Old March 26, 2014, 09:28 PM   #3
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its all i use in everything if i can find it!!
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Old March 26, 2014, 10:18 PM   #4
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357mag case, 148gr. wadcutter sized/lubed to 3585 , any std. sp primer & 3gr. under it.

Nice soft shooting ,does`nt smoke cases, clean, economical , whats not to like.

Meters well in my Lee auto disc also!
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Old March 26, 2014, 10:43 PM   #5
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Oldie but Goodie

Red Dot is an old powder. But a good powder. It's also a shotgun powder, primarily. That said. . .

It still has a lot of loyal followers. it sees a lot of duty in 148 wadcutters in 38 Spl. ^ Or in 357 cases, so it would seem. ^ It works well in target or general purpose shooting ("plinking," as it's sometimes called).

It is a fast powder, as we all know. Thus it can be a bit temperamental if the loader is trying to push velocities. It can snarl and bite, so don't do that :-)

I have lots of experience with Red Dot, but it fell out of favor with me years ago. I prefer W231 or Bullseye, or AA2 these days. But with current LGS powder inventories (aka empty shelves - and I mean completely empty), should the need arise, I wouldn't hesitate grabbing a pound or two. It's good stuff.

Us old timers use it more than these newfangled semi-auto cartridge loaders do. For whatever reason. I think some things just go out of style.
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Old March 26, 2014, 11:05 PM   #6
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I have a Red Dot load for everything I shoot. It's not the best load for everything, but I know I can make everything go bang if it comes down to it. It IS my go-to for target 357 and 40S&W.
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Old March 26, 2014, 11:12 PM   #7
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Red Dot is my go to powder for .38SPL 158gr 850fps loads. Primarily because I got 2/3 of a keg of it 20some odd years ago, and still have several pounds left.

its accurate, and while some might think its a touch dirty, so is shooting cast bullets.

Also use in for standard velocity 9mm loads.
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Old March 26, 2014, 11:22 PM   #8
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while some might think its a touch dirty
Red Dot IS a touch dirty.

But I clean my guns after every trip to the range. And it takes the same amount of time regardless of the propellant used that day.

44AMP: I'm curious, how much (quantity) is a "keg" of powder?
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Old March 27, 2014, 05:51 AM   #9
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I load Red Dot in .38 S&W, .38spcl, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .30-30, .35 Remington, and .30-06...
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Old March 27, 2014, 02:10 PM   #10
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44AMP: I'm curious, how much (quantity) is a "keg" of powder?
25 lbs

one container.

not sure if they call them differently today, but it used to be 1 pound was a canister, 8 lbs was a "caddy" and 25lbs was a "keg".
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Old March 27, 2014, 03:05 PM   #11
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I have used it for years in my .45. It is accurate and reliable and I have never had any problem with it.
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Old March 27, 2014, 03:48 PM   #12
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I've been working on a 8# jug of Promo (bargain basement Red Dot) for close to 10 years. It lasts a long time at 3 or 4 grains per cartridge (7 for .45 Colts) It is very accurate in everything I've tried.

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Old March 27, 2014, 10:19 PM   #13
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it used to be 1 pound was a canister, 8 lbs was a "caddy" and 25lbs was a "keg".
Thank you 44 AMP.

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Old March 27, 2014, 11:01 PM   #14
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"Alliant/ ATK-Amonette, Ben <Ben.Amonette@ATK.COM> emailed my these 9mm loads today, including RED DOT!
9mm Luger


115 gr lead bullet
Red Dot start 3.7 grs max 4.2 grs
Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Green Dot start 4.2 grs max 4.7 grs
Unique start 4.5 max 5 grs
Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

115 gr jacketed bullet
Red Dot start 3.8 grs max 4.3 grs
Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Green Dot start 4.2 grs max 4.7 grs
Unique start 4.5 grs max 5.5 grs
Power Pistol start 5.9 grs max 6.3 grs

124/125 gr lead
Red Dot start 3.6 grs max 4.1 grs
Bullseye start 3.8 grs max 4.3 grs
Green Dot start 3.9 grs max 4.4 grs
Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Power Pistol start 4.8 grs max 5.3 grs

124/125 gr jacketed
Red Dot start 3.7 grs max 4.2 grs
Bullseye start 3.9 grs max 4.3 grs
Green Dot start 4.1 grs max 4.5 grs
Unique start 4.5 grs max 5 grs
Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

147 gr lead
Bullseye start 2.8 grs max 3.3 grs
Green Dot start 3 grs max 3.4 grs
Unique start 3.2 grs max 3.6 grs
Power Pistol start 4 grs max 4.5 grs

147 gr jacketed
Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Power Pistol start 4.5 grs max 5 grs

Note: Start with the minimum charge wt. Reload just a few and be sure they will properly cycle the action of your pistol before reloading a quantity.
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Old March 28, 2014, 08:03 AM   #15
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I've used a lot of Red Dot over the years for 12 gauge loads, and really like it.

I tried it back in the 1980s in .38 Special loads.

They were absolutely filthy, but were amazingly accurate.

Had it been cleaner, it might have given 231 a run for its money as my primary powder.
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Old March 28, 2014, 09:20 AM   #16
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I've tested it across all the calibers I shoot and like it. Currently it is my go to powder for the .357 caliber. 5.0g of Red Dot under 158g SWC is a ~1000fps load which is pleasent to shoot and accurate for this caliber. Need more smack, I move up in caliber.
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Old March 28, 2014, 09:29 AM   #17
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To all those using Red Dot or Promo. How does it meter? I load on a Lee turret with the auto disk. I know from experience that Unique does not meter well.
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Old March 28, 2014, 10:21 AM   #18
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It meters okay but not great in a Hornady powder measure, and 2 different models of C&H measure. Don't know about Lee.

Even though you will have trouble maintaining ±0.1 grain powder throws, the accuracy is still superb; like the powder volume is more important than the weight.
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Old March 28, 2014, 07:44 PM   #19
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Had it (Red Dot) been cleaner, it might have given 231 a run for its money as my primary powder.
Yes Mike, this is why I switched from Red Dot to 231, and never looked back.

But as mentioned before: with the current shortages, if I cross paths with Red Dot, I won't hesitate getting it. A little extra gungunk won't stop me from using it - the gun cleaning process is still the same.

But definitely, 231 is cleaner and my first choice.
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Old March 28, 2014, 08:17 PM   #20
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It's hard to say how much Red Dot I've run through my auto pistol, over the years, but it's sure a bunch.
I shoot Steel Challenge as much as I can, and my .45 M1911 rocks with it. I've switched to a Tanfoglio .40 S&W for the larger magazine, but I've used a bunch of RD in it, too.
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Old March 28, 2014, 10:17 PM   #21
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" with the current shortages, if I cross paths with Red Dot, I won't hesitate getting it."

I've got between 2 and 3 pounds of Red Dot in my basement.

Fortunately, though, I've got close to 10 pounds of 231 in my basement, too.
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Old March 28, 2014, 10:31 PM   #22
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I'm a little low on 231 and Bullseye. But in good shape with AA2.

So I should be okay with the fast stuff until new shipments start showing up at my LGS this spring/summer. IF it shows up.
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Old March 28, 2014, 11:20 PM   #23
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Its okay for light target loads. I use it sometimes just because I have it around for 12 guage loads. I'm not crazy about it because its kind of dirty, but it performs okay.
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Old March 29, 2014, 08:32 AM   #24
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"But as mentioned before: with the current shortages, if I cross paths with Red Dot, I won't hesitate getting it. A little extra gungunk won't stop me from using it - the gun cleaning process is still the same."

That's how I wound up using it... there may be better out there (I'm not the expert), but it works well enough.

Marco, thanks for posting that info.
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Old March 29, 2014, 04:53 PM   #25
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Have used Red Dot for years in 38/357 loads, along with Unique and Bullseye. Like the man said, with the shortages, you have to use what you can find.
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