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Old January 21, 2001, 12:28 PM   #1
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Most of the guns are the 1911, or so I have
heard.
At least that is what all the top shooters
appear to be shooting.
The HK P7 would work great in competition IMO.
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Old January 22, 2001, 10:54 AM   #2
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I shoot IDPA and USPSA three gun. I know a couple of guys that have this gun. But they do not shoot in competition. Kimber, Springfield Armory, other 1911s and Glocks. Lots of GLOCKS. That's my observation.
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Old January 22, 2001, 11:53 AM   #3
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It's a great gun, but the 9mm is minor for IPSC, so you won't see many. Should be good for IDPA, unless there is some silly rule banning it.
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Old January 22, 2001, 01:20 PM   #4
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Here in SC, a fellow with a P7M13 twice won the state's USPSA Limited Division title. This was around the early/mid-'90s. As Col. Cooper once stated, you can score well in IPSC with a 'Minor' caliber pistol...as long as you always hit the A-zone.
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Old January 23, 2001, 02:56 PM   #5
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I shot my P7M8 in IDPA for a while, but moved to CDP with a 220 a few months ago. I honestly did that for the challenge, since the P7 was so easy to shoot I was getting times as good or better than some of the good guys in CDP (the most competitive division around here). It's still my primary carry gun, since it's so easy to be fast and accurate, but I started to feel like I was sandbagging a bit (probably would have felt that way with any 9mm though).
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Old January 23, 2001, 11:54 PM   #6
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I've switched to using my P7M8 for IDPA instead of my USP45. IDPA is set up so you compete with similiar guns.
1911's in 45 or 10mm are in Custom Defensive Pistol. 8 rounds only in the mags. USP45 can be shot in CDP.

Stock Service Pistol, basically any stock pistol, but first shot must be fired DA. 10 round max in the mags. P7 and USP can be shot in SSP.

Enhanced Service Pistol, 9mm or .40. DA/SA guns can be shot SA for first shot if it can be carried cocked and locked. Limited modifications allowed. 10 rounds also. Most SSP guns can be shot in ESP depending on caliber.

Then there's the revolvers.

The P7M8 has many advantages and disadvantages.

Advantages:
Accuracy
Quick follow up shot due to the light slide and fast action.
Ambi controls
SA trigger, no 10 lbs DA.
Slide release is in the squeeze cocker
Single stack mags easier to grip for tactical reloads

Disadvantes:
8 round mag capacity. P7M13 would be a better choice. Or until CJS starts making the extended +2 baseplates for the M8. Basically two reloads to get through a 18 round stage vs. 1 for the guys with 10 rounds.
Hard to recover ejected casings for those that reload.

9mm is ideal for SSP and ESP because it meets the minimum power factor.

For IPSC, it is dominated by the 1911's though.
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Old January 24, 2001, 07:55 PM   #7
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Hi scooter2, I have the USP .45 fullsize and
a new P7M8.
To me they are 2 completely different guns and
the only thing they really have in common is
that they both have sights!!!lol
I am quite accurate with my USP (esp. with my
Mark 23)
I would like my P7 shooting to be on par with
my Mk23 and USP ability.
Any tips or suggestions from a Pro shooter would
really be nice...
Thanks for your time...
Todd
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Old January 24, 2001, 08:30 PM   #8
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There was an instructor for F.A.S. (Firearms Academy of Seattlel) who was using a P7 for IDPA and Tactical matches.
Tom.... er... something or other.
I remember him commenting on how hot it (the pistol) got during the classifier.
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Old January 24, 2001, 08:45 PM   #9
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Dakodakid, one of the things I did for my USP and P7M8 is to get the same sights. I'm using the stock white dot sights on both guns, but have replaced the rear sight with MMC sights. The USP has dots on it, but I use sight black on them. The P7 just has black sights. By using the same sights, you don't have to adjust to a different sight setup.

The tip I sent you from Bruce Gray is a good starting point on learning this gun. I post under Scooter on HKPRO and Park Cities Tactical forums, someone beat me to that name.

Learn to pull the trigger like a double action. Be smooth and pull all the way back in one motion. There's too much movement to treat it like a SA trigger. Learning where the reset point of the trigger is helpful to get that fast second shot. The area that the P7 really shines is in the follow up shots. It cycles really fast and has little muzzle flip. The USP45 behaves much differently.

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Old January 24, 2001, 11:11 PM   #10
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thanks again scooter2,
I am extremely accurate with my P7 if I slow
down a bit on the trigger...
In time I will gain the trigger control on the
P7 to pull it fast and still be accurate....
The info you e-mailed me did help but I am always
hungry for more knowledge...
Its this little thing that I have about needing
to learn something new everyday.....
take care
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