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Old February 25, 2014, 09:41 AM   #1
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Will there ever be a rifle caliber pistol?

Today I'm asking if you guys think a handgun will ever be chambered for a rifle Cartridge. Do you guys think it's even possible? For me I love hanguns, but I don't like how they lack a lot of power. Even a 357 or 44 I would never really trust if I ever had to shoot a bear. I mean, rifles and shotguns just have soo much more power. Anyway, what do u guys think of the possibility of this?
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Old February 25, 2014, 09:44 AM   #2
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Fn57 - fn p90

Does the FN57 count? Also check out the FN P90
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Old February 25, 2014, 09:48 AM   #3
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Thompson/Center Contender and Encore.
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Old February 25, 2014, 09:50 AM   #4
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I think you must be new to handguns...

There have been several hand-rifle designs over the past 30 years. Few enjoyed much commercial success.

For me, handguns are a compromise between easy portability and power. I really can't envision carrying a .308 handgun on my belt... and if I need a sling, might as well have a butt stock (which makes accurate shots much easier for me).

Compact rifles (folding stocks, 16" barrels) aren't hard to assemble / find... and if you want the added expense/paperwork you can build a short-barrel rifle.
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Old February 25, 2014, 09:58 AM   #5
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For practical defensive use, not really.

Rifles cartridges are built for long barrels. Short barrels sacrifice power, loading for the short barrel sacrifices more power.

Encores/Contender/etc are good hunting guns but single shots are lousy for defense, 2 legged or 4.

A gun built to fire multiple shots and be as small as any reasonable handgun would be ridiculously unwieldy, heavy, recoil would be hell if it wasn't heavy, and worse than any normal handgun even if it was heavy. Muzzle blast would be ridiculous. It would almost certainly have to be a revolver and cylinder gap blast would also be hellacious. (It is on the magnum revolvers already)

It'd be impossible from a practical standpoint for a semi-auto handgun (traditional 1911/Glock/etc) design. The grip would be 3" or more long. Look at the Desert Eagle and similar. They're already ridiculous and those cartridges are 1/2 the length of many rifles cartridges.

Short answer.... No.
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Old February 25, 2014, 09:59 AM   #6
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There are AR-15 pistols

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=231

Remington has made several bolt action handguns.


https://www.google.com/search?q=remi...w=1366&bih=622

Not to mention the TC Pistols

https://www.google.com/search?q=remi...stols&tbm=isch

Even a few 45-70 revolvers

https://www.google.com/search?q=remi...45-70&tbm=isch
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:00 AM   #7
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FN Five-SeveN immediately came to mind, but I'm late to the party
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:01 AM   #8
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Been done. http://www.magnumresearch.com/search/bfi-revolver.aspx
But because of the length of the barrel, ballistics will not be the same as a rifle.
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:04 AM   #9
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Will there ever be a rifle caliber pistol?

I don't think the 5.7 counts, particularly considering that the OP mentions bear defense.

Besides, it's only a rifle cartridge in the sense that it's marketed that way. I could design a cartridge identical to 9mm Luger, name it 9mm Pfleuger and release the first versions chambered in a new, semi-auto rifle but that doesn't make it a "rifle cartridge".

By that reasoning, any 22LR handgun meets the OP's criteria.
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:04 AM   #10
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:19 AM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David spargenator

Today I'm asking if you guys think a handgun will ever be chambered for a rifle Cartridge.
Do you guys think it's even possible ?
I would say so, since some have been made for many years, now:

The break-open T/C Contender was available in .30-30 & .44 Mag as long ago as the late -60's, & the .45-70 in the late 70's, IIRC.

The newer break-open T/C Encore is available in a whole range of CF "rifle" chamberings.

Freedom Arms (break-open)

Wichita Arms (break-open)

Magnum Research Lone Eagle (cannon rotary breech)

Competitor Arms (cannon rotary breech)

Merrill (break-open)

MOA Maximum (break-open)

EABCO (E.Arthur Brown Co) falling block

EAA Thor

BF (falling block)

RPM Excel (break-open)

Remington XP-100 (boltgun)

Savage Striker (boltgun)

Rossi Mare's Leg (levergun)




Plus, a plethora of AR-type "pistols".



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Old February 25, 2014, 10:21 AM   #12
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Does a Howdah pistol count?
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:23 AM   #13
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How about .50 BMG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMkiDguYtGw
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:25 AM   #14
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I think a .30-06 Derringer would be kind of cool....
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Old February 25, 2014, 10:31 AM   #15
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In the last few years the trend has been instead of making a handgun to fire a rifle cartridge, to make a handgun cartridge than is almost comparable to a rifle. The .500 Linebaugh, .500 S&W and the .460 S&W come to mind. These are handguns that reliably take other dangerous game besides just bears. The issue of a handgun compared to a rifle will always be accuracy from the average shooter. This is something that is a problem even in T/Cs chambered in rifle cartridges and is a problem no amount of technology will ever change.
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Old February 25, 2014, 11:19 AM   #16
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you mean like this?

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Old February 25, 2014, 11:27 AM   #17
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Don't forget the Remington XP-100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_XP-100
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Old February 25, 2014, 11:29 AM   #18
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Old February 25, 2014, 11:29 AM   #19
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The big S&W's and Rugers in .460, .480 and .500 are about as far as one can go and still have a practical handguh. Beyond that, IMHO, even though the gun may be legally a handgun, it becomes too big and too heavy to be practical as a such.

Further, for carry while hiking and the like, the mass and weight of such a "handgun" prevent carrying other items that might, in the long run, be more useful.

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Old February 25, 2014, 11:46 AM   #20
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There are

They run the gamut from the absurd to the barely practical. Bridging the gap between handgun and rifle is a pretty tough niche to fill. I can't think of too many general purpose designs that work.
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Old February 25, 2014, 02:21 PM   #21
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There have been several different revolvers in .45-70. And that's *definitely* a rifle caliber...
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Old February 25, 2014, 02:31 PM   #22
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Heck--- 44-40, 38-40, 32-20 were ALL originally rifle cartridges.


SO, there have been handguns chambered for rifle cartridges for
over 140 years.
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Old February 25, 2014, 03:34 PM   #23
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http://www.wildeyguns.com/wildey.html

Well this might not be what you are looking for. .308Winchester rifle brass modified to be 45 Wildey Magnum.
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Old February 25, 2014, 03:45 PM   #24
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I've got an XP-100R in .260 with a 2.5-8 Leupold scope. MUCH more accurate than I am.
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Old February 25, 2014, 03:51 PM   #25
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Just off the top of my head: items you can get in both:
.45 long colt lever action and pistol
.357 lever action and pistol
.44 mag lever action and pistol
.22LR: the one the only the now mythically hard to find ammo for
.30 cal M1 Carbine: rifle and revolver
.22WMR

and as a bonus:
.410 shotgun and revolver
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