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Old February 23, 2014, 12:43 AM   #1
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Is there any truth to this?

I was at a LGS and while I was browsing, happened to listen to the salesman telling a lady customer who was shopping for defense ammo, that you are only legally allowed to discharge two bullets if a BG attacks you. Any more than that can draw homicide charges. Does this make sense and is this true?
I am sure we have lots of LE professionals on this forum as well as folks who have a lot of experience. Thanks for sharing any factual info you might have.
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Old February 23, 2014, 12:49 AM   #2
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This is gunstore BS. You will have to justify every single shot you fire, but there is no magic number that will automatically equal homicide.
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Old February 23, 2014, 12:56 AM   #3
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More than likely the salesman knows just about as much about the product he's selling as he knows about the law.

Find another LGS to shop at.
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Old February 23, 2014, 01:48 AM   #4
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bwahahaha......find another LGS to patronize because that yo-yo doesn't know what the hell he is talking about!

You shoot until the threat is stopped. It can be 1-2 or any number of rounds!
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Old February 23, 2014, 01:53 AM   #5
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This would almost be laughable if it wasn't advice that he was giving to someone else that may be equally clueless. Now she may be thinking about that idiot's advice if/when she ever does get in trouble.

I am unqualified to give out legal advice, but I know I would shoot until incapacitation of the threat is achieved, physically or mentally. That could be any number of shots.
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Old February 23, 2014, 08:27 AM   #6
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Whatta maroon.
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Old February 23, 2014, 08:48 AM   #7
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That's one of the better ones I've heard of late.

In my opinion, you shoot till the threat is neutralized regardless if it takes one round or 20.
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Old February 23, 2014, 08:50 AM   #8
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Hogwash, pure and simple.
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Old February 23, 2014, 09:11 AM   #9
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You're joking, right?

Nobody is that stupid.
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Old February 23, 2014, 09:33 AM   #10
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Like others have already stated, shoot until the threat is no longer a threat.
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Old February 23, 2014, 09:41 AM   #11
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Sounds as silly as a line I heard at a gun show once. A guy nearby was going on about how it was illegal to have more than "X" number of rounds of ammo stored in your home. He claimed to know a guy who told someone that he had a couple thousand rounds of ammo, and the cops came and seized it. Several folks nearby called BS on it, but he was adamant about his story.
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Old February 23, 2014, 09:55 AM   #12
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They say a good salesman can sell ice to an eskimo

That said, I'd say you'd best shop for your ice at another location.
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Old February 23, 2014, 10:09 AM   #13
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Too funny! that guy should be selling vacuum cleaners, not guns.
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Old February 23, 2014, 10:17 AM   #14
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So double tap, stop, look and see how effective your shots were, then double tap again?

My LEGAL method will be: keep pulling the trigger and placing rounds on target until target is no longer in my sight picture.
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Old February 23, 2014, 10:20 AM   #15
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There must've been a bonus for the most Derringers sold that week.
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Old February 23, 2014, 10:22 AM   #16
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Let me guess...he was trying to sell her a two-shot darringer.

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Old February 23, 2014, 10:29 AM   #17
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Of course it could be that the salesman was trying to say that there are prosecutors who will use multiple wounds as circumstantial evidence that the self-defense point had passed and that this was now a vengeance killing. That part is true, but not something that I would discuss with a neophyte customer. The A response would have been: once you buy a weapon, please be sure to take a self-defense and home-defense course so that you will understand how and when to use this.
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Old February 23, 2014, 11:51 AM   #18
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Quote:

This is gunstore BS.
You will have to justify every single shot you fire, but there is no magic number that will automatically equal homicide.


Unless the bullet entry holes are in the BG's back, i.e. .



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Old February 23, 2014, 11:58 AM   #19
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On the flip side of the coin, I had a friend tell me they would "empty their gun" into a BG if it ever happened. I made it clear you can only fire until the threat is neutralized, to which I met some feedback.
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Old February 23, 2014, 12:01 PM   #20
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The axiom we were told in the Army was that you don't stop the bad guys by using equal force, you stop the bad guys by using SUPERIOR force.
In a case like yours, I just shake my head and walk away, never to deal with that idiot again. It's the classic case where when paying wages for an employee, you get what you pay for, and in this case it is surely low wages and a sub-standard mentality. I would look for a better class LGS. Nuff said.
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Old February 23, 2014, 12:05 PM   #21
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Another Gun-Store lawyer ..... !!!

Of course it's a bunch of bull and in part it comes from defending yourself in court when the Bad-Guy, got one in his front thy and ten, square in the back. It's been stated that in the heat of such an encounter, most rounds miss their target and now you worry about how many rounds were fired. ....

A friend of mine got his carry permit and then went to see a lawyer on the potential legal ramifications of having to shoot someone. Scared the crap out of him to a point where he questioned even caring. .....

Be Safe !!!
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Old February 23, 2014, 12:43 PM   #22
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In all the training I have had, it was made clear . .

#1 - never give up your weapon and never stop fighting until the threat ceases to exist

#2 - shoot until the BG is down and the deadly threat is eliminated

Given all of that . . . I pray that the most dangerous thing I will ever have to discharge my handgun at are the tin cans sitting on the log . . . or possibly the woodchuck that keeps digging holes in my fields.

It never ceases to amaze me the things a person overhears in the LGS . . . .
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Old February 23, 2014, 01:13 PM   #23
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I wonder if that gun shop guy is a Biden supporter?


If his eyes aren't brown, I'd say he's a quart low!


Seriously, there is, and can be NO LAW about how many shots = homicide. It will ALWAYS depend on the specific circumstances of each individual situation.
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Old February 23, 2014, 01:14 PM   #24
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Sometimes stuff that is intended as good advice gets dumbed down so far that it can be comical. Advising someone not to fire more shots than necessary is probably good advice. Somewhere along the way the message got really skewed.
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Old February 23, 2014, 01:39 PM   #25
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Where does stuff like that come from?

We all know that some gun store clerks are not experts in the law, guns, or much of anything else, but that is so lame that it is hard to believe the guy is smart enough to put on his pants in the morning.

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