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Old February 5, 2014, 11:01 PM   #1
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Chicago IL area school officials upset over "no guns" signs....

www.WashingtonExaminer.com

There's a new media item(02/05/2014) detailing a few Chicago IL area public school officials problem with the "no guns" signs. They don't like the terms or gun logos.
This seems like one of dumbest & insignificant complaints I've ever heard of.
Pictures or signs with guns on them are not going to "go off" or make kids think they need to pack heat.
I still don't get the one school administrators remarks about the gun images making visitors or students think somehow guns were in the school or on school property.
What burns me most is that IL gun laws make these weapons on school property; illegal. If kids or even parents bring illegal guns on the school grounds then they broke the law!
I guess the "scary" signs didn't warn them enough.
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Old February 5, 2014, 11:41 PM   #2
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Clyde, I read a lot of your posts, but for the love, can you please put direct links to stories you cite in your posts? Otherwise we are all scrambling around trying to figure out what in the world you're talking about.

Copy and paste is your friend.

ETA: I think this is the story Clyde is referring to:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/chicag...rticle/2543505
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Old February 6, 2014, 12:02 AM   #3
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Ow...thanks, now my brain hurts.
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Old February 6, 2014, 12:18 AM   #4
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Thanks....

Thanks for the new link.
I'm not that "net savvy" but I do what I can.
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Old February 6, 2014, 07:29 PM   #5
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I'm waiting for psychologists to coin the term "gun-phobia." Honestly, I think it is a legitimate condition for some people. Any mention, reference, photo, or talk of a firearm sends them into an irrational panic.
They cannot be reasoned with or talked-down from the hysteria that consumes them, no matter what.
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Old February 6, 2014, 07:35 PM   #6
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Doesnt that phobia already exist? Hoplophobia?

I suppose in this case, its a phobia of pictures of guns.
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Old February 6, 2014, 07:38 PM   #7
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I guess it does, thanks for the education
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Old February 6, 2014, 07:58 PM   #8
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Let's see, we don't want people to do something, but we don't want to post a sign telling them not do it because others will think that they do it.

Do I understand this correctly? I hope not.
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Old February 6, 2014, 09:16 PM   #9
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They are afraid of a partly chewed pop tart in the shape of a gun, what else should we expect.
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Old February 6, 2014, 10:02 PM   #10
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And less we forget....

Chocolate guns & kids playing with toy guns near school buses/bus stops(which in many school districts means school property ) & elementary age boys who point their fingers like guns when they play.

If I lived in that area, Id go to a PTA meeting & demand the school remove all signs or logos on all signs. Any image or symbol could be just as offensive as a gun/firearm shape.
Now wouldn't that be strange behavior?....
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Old February 9, 2014, 12:54 AM   #11
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Those signs should have been put up years ago. Everyone knows that signage such as those will be obeyed by the criminals and a lot of heartbreak and violence could have been avoided.
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Old February 9, 2014, 10:30 AM   #12
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The situation is ridiculous, but it is indicative of one of the new strategies the gun-control lobby is pushing. If they demonize even the depiction of guns, people will be intimidated and will have little desire to own one. At least that's the idea. I doubt the reality will be what they expect.

Let's stick to the matter at hand and avoid general diatribes about Chicago or the education system in a broader context.
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Old February 9, 2014, 10:56 AM   #13
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"Pop Tart" law....

Well;
Things are looking up.
The Florida House cleared a new bill sponsored by Rep Dennis Baxley to change/modify some of the school SOPs & laws about toy guns, fake-replica guns, baked goods or confections(chocolate) that look like firearms, etc.
This bill also called the "Pop Tart law" will help parents & school admin types from events where young kids have items that resemble guns but are not guns.
A NW Florida medla article even stated the Escambia County school system(Pensacola Florida) got rid of the term; zero tolerance all together & the phrase is no longer in any student handbooks or posted signs.

Maybe, just maybe, educators & school officials in other places will follow suit but we'll need to wait & see...
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Old February 9, 2014, 11:49 AM   #14
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Gun phobia or hoplophobia aren't recognized psychiatric terms.

Just pop usage in the gun world.

Now is affluenza a real term?

I also suggest Obsessive Compulsive Rimfire Hording Disorder be added to the DSM.
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Old February 9, 2014, 11:57 AM   #15
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Or the signs are just a stinging reminder to some of the anti folks that they've lost the battle over concealed carry in IL.
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Old February 9, 2014, 07:43 PM   #16
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Nothing is too outlandish for those who hate firearms.
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Old February 9, 2014, 09:00 PM   #17
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Now is affluenza a real term?
It is if it gets me out of work

They tried to turn the gun issue into a social panic after Newtown. They failed. They tried to demonize gun owners, and they failed at that. Now they're trying to demonize the instrument, which may work in some instances.

It's nothing new, really.
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Old February 9, 2014, 11:31 PM   #18
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If they're failing to demonize pop tarts, that will be a step in the right direction -- although I hope no one I care about ever eats one, at least in my presence.
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Thinking about it the other day, a friend and I came up with this.



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Old February 10, 2014, 09:16 AM   #20
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Brilliant!
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Old February 10, 2014, 10:21 AM   #21
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C'est magnifique.
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Old February 10, 2014, 01:59 PM   #22
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French art appreciation? I totally showed up for this class in my (metaphorical) underwear. Is there going to be a test?

(And who carved a smiley face on a 3" 66?)

There are actual state guidelines, and the sign has to meet specific criteria. So, they can have a "no guns" sign without a picture of an ermagherditsagun, but it doesn't meet legal standards.
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Old February 13, 2014, 03:19 PM   #23
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The last sentence of the article posted:

“But it correlates with the law, and I think if it ultimately helps to keep schools safe, that’s the objective.”

How does this help keep schools safe?
Somebody please help me understand.
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Old February 14, 2014, 04:18 PM   #24
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In the article, the principal said, “I have no knowledge of guns ever being in this building"

So, is she unaware of police officers ever being in the building? Or did she make them leave their guns at home?

The whole concept of the "gun-free school zone" signs is ludicrous. It relies on a fallacy, the belief that criminals will obey a law.

In practice.....the gang members and drug dealers that might be carrying guns are already carrying illegally, and therefore will not be deterred by an additional law, since they are counting on not getting caught. And those who intend to go there specifically to kill people will not be deterred by an additional law, since they are already planning to commit several more serious crimes, often with the intent of not surviving.

The only ones affected by "gun-free school zone" laws are the people who might actually do some good with their guns....and are prevented from doing that good, by idiotic laws. Not to mention greatly inconvenienced, often on a daily basis, or actually put in jeopardy by the idiotic law.

JimmyR, thanks for posting the link to the story.

And Glenn, hoplophobia might not be in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, but it is a logical extension of the terms used to describe phobias.
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Old February 14, 2014, 05:26 PM   #25
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No - because opposition to gun usage is not the same as the symptoms of an anxiety disorder. Unless you get those, the term lacks descriptive power.

Some who is just an antigunner doesn't meet the DSM criteria by logical extension to use the term. You need the anxiety symptoms.

Opposition to gun ownership may be misguided in our view but is not apriori pathological.

Sorry to be a downer on that but we can't throw techy terms around loosely. Note how some flip out on clip vs. magazine - for example
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