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Old January 24, 2014, 02:23 AM   #1
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.308 axis: upgrade or sell?

I have a Savage Axis .308. I'm thinking of spending about $200 for a new Timney trigger and a Boyds aftermarket stock. From what I've read, this would really make the gun more accurate and more fun to shoot. Or do you think that I should sell it and put the money I would have spent upgrading it and get another .308. I'm a causal shooter with the .308, I like shooting at the range and having a general purpose rifle. Not being an avid long range shooter or a hunter, all I really want is a 200-300 rifle, I'm not expecting sub MOA past 100'. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks.
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Old January 24, 2014, 04:42 AM   #2
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Upgrade it! Your not going to get much for it on the used market . Have you tried cutting the trigger spring on factory trigger? I was able to get mine down to 4 lbs and its still perfectly safe.
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Old January 24, 2014, 09:49 AM   #3
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Keep it and buy an upgrade.
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Old January 24, 2014, 10:21 AM   #4
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^^^^Two .308's are better than one!
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Old January 24, 2014, 10:42 AM   #5
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Keep it as is, or sell it. No matter how much money you throw at it, it will still be a budget gun worth very little. The modifications you are proposing won't do a thing to make it a better shooting rifle.
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Old January 24, 2014, 11:01 AM   #6
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It's an Axis and it's your rifle, so do what you want. You won't be helping or hurting the rifle by any means as far as the value of resale. I personally wouldn't waste the money buying a new stock or trigger for it. I'd try as suggested the trigger spring trim, plenty of info for it out on the web. I just wouldn't sink a whole lot of money into the rifle at all.

I've built my fair share of expensive Savage rifles, and none have been worth the money if I ever tried to sell them. However, I did get the satisfaction of doing the majority of the work myself and having the rifle I wanted in the end. I'd just save my money and buy the rifle I wanted and until then I'd just bang away with the Axis.
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Old January 24, 2014, 11:28 AM   #7
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I'm inclined to vote with bacardisteve and reynolds357. Not everything is about a return on investment. Increased enjoyment and satisfaction has a value, too.

I would certainly do the stock. The lower end savage stocks are flimsy. Since it will be primarily a range gun, (and if you don't mind the added weight), the heavier boyds stock will make the rifle more pleasant to shoot from the bench. And the axis will look nicer. In any case, your ideas sound like a fun project.

I also like the suggestion about keeping the axis and getting an additional rifle. A .223 rem or .243 win comes to mind.
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Old January 24, 2014, 11:38 AM   #8
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You will get nothing by modding it so I would use it as a beater gun. This is much like modding a Hyundai to keep up with a Porsche. In the end its still a Hyundai and all the money modded up adds nothing to its value.
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Old January 24, 2014, 12:16 PM   #9
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So making these changes wan't make it any more accurate or pleasant to shoot? I'm not really all that concerned about the value of the rifle and know that mods, if they do anything, usually drop the value. I was just wondering if putting $200 into this rifle will make it more accurate and/or fun to shoot or it would be a waste.

I am a budget shooter, the odds of me spending more than $500 on a bolt action .308 are slim. So I guess the question is, "Can I get a the Axis to perform like an $500, out of the box rifle by spending $200 on it"?
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Old January 24, 2014, 12:33 PM   #10
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You might get it to shoot better but then you might not. There are too many variables. That's the problem with budget mods, there is no guarantee the rile will shoot better with the mods. There is even a chance it could shoot worse. I would feel better modding a higher end Savage like a XP 10. How accurate is your rifle now???
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Old January 24, 2014, 04:38 PM   #11
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I am a budget shooter, the odds of me spending more than $500 on a bolt action .308 are slim. So I guess the question is, "Can I get a the Axis to perform like an $500, out of the box rifle by spending $200 on it"?
Did you spend less than $300 on the Axis when you bought it? My guess is you'll have more than $500 in the Axis by the time you're done. That is what many of us are getting at. Then you should properly bed the barreled action to the new stock, which may or may not be a daunting task to you. If you have to have a gunsmith do it be prepared to spend another $150-200 for that job.

Here is a Sub $500 rifle with a MOA guarantee T/C Venture blue and T/C Venture SS. Stock is better than the Axis and comes with an easily user adjustable trigger. Then there are the Savage Hog Hunter and the Trophy Hunter XP both already have an Accutrigger (user adjustable) and the stocks are better than the Axis still sub $500. Finally there is the Weatherby Vanguard S2, that again has an adjustable trigger and better stock than the Axis.

Now since you're wanting better accuracy, tell us what kind of groups are you getting? What ammunition are you shooting and what kind of optics are you using? Shooting accurately is more to do with consistency than a stock and trigger.
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Old January 26, 2014, 12:40 AM   #12
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I got rid of mine. I couldn't get past the high lift on the bolt, requiring the scope to be mounted higher than necessary. I like to use a 40mm objective scope that hugs the bore as much as possible, so it was a personal preference thing for me. Of course Boyds released their Axis stock about 5 minutes after it sold, I might have kept it had I known that was coming LOL.

In all reality though, if you can get most of your money back out of the Axis, get into a Model 10 Trophy Hunter in .308 and you'll have way more gun and scope than $250 worth of add-ons to the Axis would ever get you.
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Old January 26, 2014, 09:37 AM   #13
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Can't speak to the factory stock...
Is the barrel fully free-floated?

If it's "Tupperware", it's a bit harder to bed, but can be done.

I wouldn't see an advantage to the Boyd's necessarily- either stock needs to be bedded for optimal consistency. This is a MUST, and will usually improve the accuracy of any rifle when done properly.

The Timney (or any other quality aftermarket) trigger does not make the rifle any more accurate, it makes the shooter more accurate- and is always a wise investment.

If it were my rifle, I would check the free-float on the barrel, and bed the receiver. If that helped, I would then upgrade the trigger and you'll probably have what you are looking for in a 200-300 yard rifle.

Given your expectations, and no future desire to go long-range, I see no reason to dump more $$ than that into the stick.
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Old January 26, 2014, 11:53 AM   #14
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I wouldn't worry about resale value. You're supposed to get the most enjoyment out of your guns as you can. Do what you like, if you sell it, I'm sure plenty of people wouldn't mind having those upgrades already on it.
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Old January 26, 2014, 03:12 PM   #15
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Well I for one would like to hear back from the OP, as to what his rifle is already shooting. Especially since he posted this question.

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So making these changes wan't make it any more accurate or pleasant to shoot?
Adding the stock will probably make the rifle more pleasant to shoot, but generally as much as I dislike the Axis they shoot pretty well out of the box. I'm betting the OP has other problems with his shooting than the stock and trigger. My guess is if he wants a more pleasant rifle to shoot he's dealing with a flinching problem already. I may be wrong, but putting an additional $200 into the rifle in upgrades isn't going to cure a flinch. Really I'm all for spending money on a rifle, but is spending money going to help the OP?
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Old January 26, 2014, 04:23 PM   #16
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upgrade, if you need a new stock look at boyds the axis finally has stocks there now.
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Old January 26, 2014, 09:54 PM   #17
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Have a buddy who i sold my 223 Axis too... he added the timney and a Pepper colored Boyds stock. Like a totally different gun now. Super sweet and shoots much tighter groups without the flimsy factory stock. .. Well worth the just under $200 upgrades.
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Old January 27, 2014, 06:55 PM   #18
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You can upgrade a Ford Escort, but why not start with a better platform if you're looking to hot rod it?
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Old January 27, 2014, 10:47 PM   #19
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I have a Weatherby Vanguard S-2 in .308. It shoots sub MOA with Federal Gold Medal match loads and 2 MOA with my cast bullets. I bought it because it DID NOT have a detachable magazine made out of plastic or flimsy sheet metal. It has a MOA accuracy guarantee and a hinged floorplate mag for $500. The standard rifle has a 24" barrel, the carbine, a 20" barrel.

I had a more expensive Savage 10 PC that shot OK, but the detachable box magazine dropped out every three or four rounds. Replacement mags were over $50 each. Ditto for the otherwise very excellent Ruger American Rifle or carbine.

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Old January 27, 2014, 10:49 PM   #20
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I like the Axis. I got my daughter a youth model (Muddy Girl camo of course) and it is a shooter. I lightened the trigger a bit.

Honestly for a budget gun it has been first rate. She loves it and is very comfortable shooting it. The finish and machining, while utilitarian, is very nice. I like it a lot.

My local box store has a .308 for $259 and if I didn't already have a .308, you can bet I'd buy that Axis.

It's your gun - if you want a nicer stock go ahead and get one. Sometimes when you sell and buy another (if you're not going into $800-$1500 territory), you realize you didn't really gain much. If it's already accurate, I'd upgrade a couple things (or do the widely circulated home trigger job at your discretion) and be happy with it. They're nice rifles.
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Old January 29, 2014, 01:43 AM   #21
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You know this is kind of an interesting question the OP raised. As y'all know many have that kind of discretionary income where at their convenience they can afford to buy and sell at whim. But for those who don't have that luxury. {I consider myself as being in that later group._} I frankly find it a tough call suggesting someone should sell and re-purchase. Or hang onto what they have and have it professionally accurize it to meet their needs.

So here's my advice OP.
I know first hand there are 3 or 4- things you could do if you are patient and handy with your hands enough so. As to accurize your current rifle.

1._Float its barrel.
2._Bed its action and add/drill in piller's.
3._Perhaps replace its current scope with a more suitable one for distant targeting rather than for hunting purposes.
4._By all means I fully agree with your idea of replacing its trigger group with a Jewell or Timney. But only if your disappointed with its now current trigger behavior &/or its trigger pull weight.

If you were to sell your Axis and buy a rifle factory set-up similar to the above ways for-mentioned. Would you. For your purpose consider it a practical purchase? (There lies the answer to your dilemma)
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Old January 29, 2014, 06:24 PM   #22
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Heres my opinion...i recently bought a axis in 243 for mostly shooting paper. There is a aftermarket spring you can buy for the trigger to lighten it to 2.5 to 4 lbs. Its only like 10-15 dollars depending on where you buy it from. Tons of you tube vids showing you how to do it. Guess its a 5 min job. Mine is in the mail and will be here by friday. My opinion..i wouldnt cut the spring. Its prob safe but im not a fan. I thought about buying a new trigger but i wanted a "cheap" shooter. Gun, scope and trigger spring i have $425 into it. My point is i would keep the gun, get the spring, forget the aftermarket stock, and shoot the hell out of it. By the time you buy all that other stuff you prob could of had a nice new rem 700, or at least a nicely used one.
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Old January 29, 2014, 07:26 PM   #23
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Put a Boyds Stock on it for $100.00, Cut 1.5 coils off the spring,do a little buffing. You now have a rifle that will shoot holes around most if not all rifles costing 3 times as much. It will be a very low cost,ungodly accurate rifle. I have 2 Axis rifles and both will out shoot most rifles with ease. We also have one guy that shoot's F Class with a Axis 308 and does very very well shooting against $3000.00 rifles.
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Old February 1, 2014, 08:39 AM   #24
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The Boyd's stock for the Axis is a valuable upgrade only if the rifle shoots really good to start with, IMO. It's probably not going to shoot worse in the Boyd's stock but you never know. If it's a 1.5-2MOA gun like some of the Edge/Axis rifles I have seen then I wouldn't spend any money looking for accuracy. If it's already sub-MOA, you're going to keep it forever, and you're just trying to improve the ergonomics I would totally spring for both the stock and trigger.

All these comments about dressing up a junk rifle only apply if your rifle doesn't shoot well now. The only thing that would matter to me is the accuracy of the rifle before the modifications. I wouldn't go chasing accuracy with money on an Axis.
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Old February 1, 2014, 08:56 AM   #25
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Fiveina dime- never seen a Axis that does not shoot SUB MOA right out of the box. Belive me I have seen well over 30 now. If you got one that did not--You definetly got a fluke for sure.
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