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Old January 4, 2014, 06:29 PM   #1
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Winchester Model 94 Questions

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I have two Winchester model 94 rifles my grandfather gave me 20 years ago. His father gave them to him many years ago. I was hoping to find out the year they were made. One is a 30-30 with an octagon barrel sn:668532 it also has a lyman peep sight. It has a metal curved butt plate and no saddle ring or spot for a saddle ring. The other one is a 32 special with a saddle ring and curved metal butt plate like the 30-30 it does not have a octagon barrel or peep sight the sn: on it is 994160 Both guns are original with no mods or restoration work done.
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Old January 4, 2014, 06:38 PM   #2
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I googled "winchester 94 date".
1913 and 1926.
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Old January 4, 2014, 07:46 PM   #3
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Thank You for your time and the info
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Old January 5, 2014, 10:34 AM   #4
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Green with jealousy here. What a great legacy!
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Old January 5, 2014, 03:50 PM   #5
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Great pair of Winchesters, hope you keep them. If not please do your homework before you attempt selling.
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Old January 5, 2014, 07:47 PM   #6
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Hope I never have to sell them. I am the third generation to have them. Thank you all for the helpful info.
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Old January 7, 2014, 09:52 AM   #7
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Congrats - You've come into two very desireably early (comparitably) Winchesters.

If the "curved buttplate" gun has a long barrel & a forend cap ILO a barrel band, it's most likely a Model 1894 Rifle (model), which should be marked on the upper rear tang - unless, of course, the "Lyman peep sight" is a Lyman tang peep sight covering the information (also very desireable), ILO a receiver peep sight.
If not a Rifle (model), then the octagon barrel on a Carbine is rare & might have been a Special (factory) Order.

The other rifle is a Model 94 SRC (Saddle Ring Carbine), in a desireable (to many) chambering.

How about some pics of those babies ?


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Old January 7, 2014, 07:59 PM   #8
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I will figure out how to add photos soon. That may help determine exactly what I have.
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Old January 7, 2014, 09:02 PM   #9
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Old January 7, 2014, 09:10 PM   #10
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Old January 7, 2014, 09:12 PM   #11
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Old January 7, 2014, 09:26 PM   #12
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I will use camera and try to get better pics of both Winchesters
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Old January 7, 2014, 10:21 PM   #13
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I have a 32 spcl. octagon carbine. When I researched it, a special order was not mentioned. It was my grandfathers rifle. It was delivered to the Callaway Mercantile store,June,1929, The claim is made that he paid $19.00 for it and got a box of shells, case, can of oil and a cleaning rod.
I am not aware that a saddle ring carbine came with a curved butt plate. I thought they all had the flat wrap around butt plate. If its got a curved but plate they could have replaced it with a curved butt plate. Saddle rifles and horses were prone to all kinds of accidents.
Having said that, you have a couple fine specimens of antique rifles. Whether they are functional or not they are valuable. Go on some auction sites and e-bay and check them out. That tang site price alone will blow your mind. As a parts gun its almost priceless.
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Old January 8, 2014, 01:23 PM   #14
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The picture of the butt plate indicates one of Winchesters is a rifle and the one with the saddle ring is a carbine....Im pretty sure
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Old January 8, 2014, 01:59 PM   #15
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The "peep sight" is actually a Lyman Tang Sight (as opposed to a receiver sight), covering the model designation on the top tang.

The gun with the 994xxx SN (presumeably the gun with the tang sight covering the model designation) could be either a Model 1894 or a Model 94 (stamped into the top tang), since Winchester changed the model/stamping from "1894" to"94", at an unknown time after SN 950,000.



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Old January 8, 2014, 08:10 PM   #16
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Both have around 18 inch barrels. I also noticed the butt plate curve is different one has a sharper curve than the other.
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Old January 8, 2014, 08:17 PM   #17
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Two more pics. Thanks for info
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Old January 8, 2014, 10:49 PM   #18
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FWIW, barrel lengths are properly measured via dropping a rod downbore from the muzzle until it touches the face of the closed/locked bolt, making a mark on the rod @ the muzzle - then withdrawing the rod and measure the distance on the rod, from the mark to the end that was against the boltface.


You appear to have a .32 Special Model 94 Carbine (model) with a standard 20" bbl; and a .30-30 (30WCF) Model 1894/94 Rifle (model) with a much shorter than standard barrel.

The Rifle model's shorter than standard barrel might have been shortened by someone after it left the factory; or it could also have been ordered like that - which would mak it a Model 1894/94 Short Rifle (model).

Only two things can determine why the barrel is shorter than standard:

1) A "Cody Letter" from the Winchester Museum can be sent for ($$), which should describe how the rifle left the factory,

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2) Precise measurements can be taken of the position/distance the front sight is from the muzzle; the position/distance the rear sight is from the face of the receiver; and the exact length of the forend wood - all of which factory variations are known to Winchester 1894/94 collectors.


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Old January 9, 2014, 06:40 AM   #19
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I was just curious to what I had. They have more sentimental value than actual value to me. As years go by I would believe value goes up depending on economy and interest in older arms. I hope to learn more about Winchester 94 models in the near future. Thanks for all the helpful input and info.
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