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Old December 26, 2013, 01:56 PM   #1
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Winchester found in the Desert

A few years ago I found part of what looks like a Winchester rifle of some sort and can't seem to find a lot of information about it. It has the serial number on it but that's not giving me any info either. If you guys could take a look at it and get me any information as to its model or a date range that would be awesome!!
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Old December 26, 2013, 02:09 PM   #2
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Old December 26, 2013, 03:46 PM   #3
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You show the back half of a Winchester Model 1890 takedown pump .22 rifle.
The top tang trademark is the style used from 1912 til 1926.
The serial number would pin down the year more closely.
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Old December 26, 2013, 04:00 PM   #4
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Thanks!! That looks to be exactly what it is. That's pretty impressive! The serial number is 550733. Don't know if you have access to info where that would be useful but in case you do, there it is. Thank you again!
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Old December 26, 2013, 04:17 PM   #5
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Proofhouse.com and Madis say made in 1915.
Bert H. over on the Gunbroker board works at the museum and says those old date charts are not always accurate but for a dugup like that, I think 1915 is close enough.
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Old December 26, 2013, 05:37 PM   #6
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That's great!! Thanks so much. Pretty useless trinket but kinda cool anyway!
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Old December 27, 2013, 09:08 AM   #7
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Very cool indeed!

The cool factor would go way up if the story of its use and eventual loss could be found too.

I wonder if records of who it was sold to still exist.
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Old December 27, 2013, 11:06 AM   #8
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The only records that would exist is what hard ware store it was first shipped to.
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Old December 27, 2013, 12:06 PM   #9
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And maybe not even that. Winchester always sold through a system of distributors, or to major chains like Wards or Sears. Very few sales were direct to a local store and even fewer to individuals, although some special orders were taken from notables, like Buffalo Bill or Teddy Roosevelt. A few distributors would handle Winchester rifles for huge regions, like the entire southeast. Almost needless to say, the records, beyond the Winchester books, no longer exist.

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Old December 27, 2013, 02:23 PM   #10
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wow , if the rifle could only talk
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Old December 27, 2013, 02:31 PM   #11
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Very cool find.
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Old December 27, 2013, 07:16 PM   #12
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The only records that would exist is what hard ware store it was first shipped to.
No, but the History Detectives could have fun with it!

More seriously, we have a rifle residing in the desert long enough for dry rot to almost completely destroy the wood in the stock but a complete serial number.

Getting a handle on the last date and location the serial number was recorded gives a place to start doing a little research on newspaper coverage of events that might shed more light on the rifle's history.
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Old December 27, 2013, 08:41 PM   #13
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Neat find.
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Old December 27, 2013, 08:49 PM   #14
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Wondering if worth a metal detector to look for barrel
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Old December 28, 2013, 04:22 PM   #15
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Just wondering, did you search the area for more parts to the rifle?
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Old December 28, 2013, 07:34 PM   #16
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Also, Did you search the area for bones?
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Old December 29, 2013, 12:08 AM   #17
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I suspect that rifle had been used in some less-than-legal activity and was broken down and the parts scattered. Had it just been lost, it would be in one piece.

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Old December 29, 2013, 11:35 AM   #18
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You know, just thinking, it could be the same rifle that Kit Carson carried when he guided the Lewis and Clark expedition up the Rio Grande, I believe he lost it after killing the Brown Bear that charged Belle Starr. Just wondering.
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Old December 30, 2013, 10:47 AM   #19
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I looked all over the area for more parts but it was near what used to be a drilling rig of some sort so there were cans and trash everywhere. I'm told the rig was operated using water and steam. Kind of a first time drilling set up. Anyway, the people working and living there were in the area for quite some time so there were bits and pieces of just about anything you could think of. I wonder if it had broken so they just tossed it. Like to think there's a crazy story behind it though! And considering it's from Southwest Wyoming, it almost has to have a good story!
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Old December 30, 2013, 03:06 PM   #20
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Looks good! I say shoot it!
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Old December 30, 2013, 10:33 PM   #21
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Heck, just make up a story. Everyone else does.

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Old December 30, 2013, 11:23 PM   #22
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Heck, just make up a story. Everyone else does.
"If that ain't the way it was, it's the way it should have been!"
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Old December 31, 2013, 02:12 AM   #23
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I have my grandmothers Win Mod 1906 takedown pump It has the same top tang trademark. will attach pictures when I get my camera back.
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Old December 31, 2013, 02:25 AM   #24
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made in 1912, the year of statehood for Arizona and New Mexico. used in one of the last American/Mexican/Indian fights. sounds like a good story to me.
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Old December 31, 2013, 03:13 AM   #25
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That was about the time R.J Buckwheat and his Welch pony drovers were moving hogs from Iowa to Northern Colorado.

They had some trouble with a bunch of Artesians out of Washington.

The ponies made it easier to boot the hogs.

Lightning struck hogs was bad.They burn like a campfire marshmallow...smoke like a tire fire.

Of course,you know that brings company.....Lots of company.

The chuck wagon cook was handy....he figured out what to do with a hog fire,and leftover biscuits.He did have a lot of leftover biscuits.Later on,many years later,his family put those biscuits in green cans..sold them to the military.

And,You have to hand it to them Artesians....poor beer beats no beer.

No time a JuiceHarp and a harmonica come out,somebody found a drum,It was amazing what the wrangler could do with a bugle.

Turned out like the jam at the end of Ringo Starr's Caveman movie,except with pork and beer

Which brings us to how the rifle got broke,you remember how Raquel Welch was in that movie,well....(next...never let truth get in the way of a good story...its improv)
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