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Old December 2, 2013, 04:07 PM   #1
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Green Dot 9mm load suggestions

Hey all. I almost have a very basic setup complete for starting to reload, and I ended up getting a pound of Green Dot on clearance at my local fun shop. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a lot of recommended loads for Green Dot in 9mm both in a couple manuals I have or on the internet.

Is Green Dot not suggested for use in 9mm or am I just missing out on something? If anyone has loads they use or have used, I would certainly be interested. I'm not picky with projectile weight or composition, as they are one of the things I still need to buy.
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:12 PM   #2
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Lyman in the 49th edition book lists Green Dot for 90 and 120 grain cast bullets.
No listings for jacketed bullets.
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:19 PM   #3
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Interesting. Maybe I can find a copy of that somewhere.
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:27 PM   #4
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I checked my Speer, Hornady, & Sierra. I got nothing.

Although Green Dot is one of those "crossover" shotgun/pistol powders, it seems to be used almost exclusively for shotgun.

With the shortages of today, we use what we can find. But in general, after years of experience, I stay away from the "Dot" powders. They were made for shotguns. I have better results loading my pistol ammo with powders designed for pistols.
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:32 PM   #5
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Yes the shortage is the primer driver as to how I got the pound of Green Dot. That and I only paid $12 for it. I've found a few loads for it online, but I don't know if I should trust them. My handgun, an Arcus 98DAC is rated for +P, but I just want to be as careful as possible.
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:47 PM   #6
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Green Dot sucks IMHO for anything but shot guns

Take what they give you for jacketed bullets and back it down 15% and you SHOULD be ok.

Find a better powder.
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:54 PM   #7
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I find that Green Dot works well in 9mm with 125 cast. I get a little over 1000 fps with no leading and lighter felt recoil.

(sorry, I do not post load data)
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:56 PM   #8
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Green Dot works very well in 9mm with light bullets.

This might be of some help: http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre.../Alliant03.pdf
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Old December 2, 2013, 04:57 PM   #9
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That's fine, I appreciate your input. Could you tell me what load manual you got that from? I'm looking into buying a few more.
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:04 PM   #10
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Speer #10

Just for fun - knowing that Green Dot was once more popular - I dug up my old Speer # 10 - May 1982 printing.

Lo and behold, it does have a Green Dot listing for 125g Lead Round Nose.

The following is obsolete and is not to be considered usable load data:

Speer #10, 9mm, 125g LRN - 3.8g minimum (869 fps); 4.2g maximum (990 fps).
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:05 PM   #11
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Just because I am relatively uninformed about this, what exactly makes load data obsolete?
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:16 PM   #12
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what exactly makes load data obsolete?
In the case of Speer #10, Speer #11 makes it obsolete. Every load manual I've ever read states that the most recent manual supersedes all previous data.

Also, powders can change formula, as well as other changes (primers, bullet design, firearm design/strength, SAAMI specifications, etc.) that can occur through the course of the years.
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:24 PM   #13
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I started with an opinion on Internet Disclamers about how powder characteristics have been changed over time and without notice, but thought better of it.
I am at present loading based on trials done 12 years ago and the ammo shoots the same as it did then.

I was once offered some Green Dot at a very low price. I checked the then (1999) data and bought it. It was a decent pistol powder but not so great that I bought more at full price.
In 9mm P:
145 gr LRN + 3.7 gr Green Dot = 984 fps in 4.5" MAXIMUM LOAD
115 gr JHP + 4.6 gr Green Dot = 1152 fps in 5" Only .1 gr below Alliant Maximum for 1999.
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:30 PM   #14
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Thanks for the data. In those of you that reload for 9mm with any powder, what bullet weight seems to be most consistent in regards to accuracy? I will probably be starting with cast bullets.
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Old December 2, 2013, 05:40 PM   #15
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If I were going for maximum accuracy with cast bullets in 9mm, I'd go with 147's. They have maximum barrel to drive band contact.
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Old December 2, 2013, 07:59 PM   #16
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Agreed.
Light cast bullets in 9mm can be a real challenge.
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Old December 2, 2013, 08:13 PM   #17
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I got one....

Its an old reloading book... If you want I can tell ya what book.. Here ya go:
OH, Its for Alloy loads...... OK

90g. #2 alloys RN
4.3 - 6.0
1095 - 1325 fps
20,400 - 31,000 Pressure cup

120g. #2 alloys RN
3.5 - 4.4
966 - 1152 fps
26,200 - 32,800 pressure cup
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Old December 4, 2013, 12:42 AM   #18
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Sure, I would like to know what book you got those loads from if possible. I'm trying to get paper copies of important things such as loading manuals.
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Old December 4, 2013, 11:27 AM   #19
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I have a chart I downloaded from one of the sites, maybe accuratereloading, that shows Alliant's own data, predating PowerPro 300-MP.

The load listed for 9mm, 125g lead, using Green Dot, shows max 5.2g, rated 1165fps, 32100 psi. There are other loads for 95FMJ, 115FMJ, 115JHP, 125FMJ, and 147XTP.

I have the file and will try to track down the reference for it and report back.
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Old December 4, 2013, 11:35 AM   #20
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Look on http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre.../Alliant01.pdf

If you hit the [ESC] key, the full screen mode will close and you will be able to have full access to the PDF features, including download.

Handgun loads start on page 16.
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Old December 4, 2013, 10:38 PM   #21
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Powder Formulea do not change and invalidate old data

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Also, powders can change formula, as well as other changes (primers, bullet design, firearm design/strength, SAAMI specifications, etc.) that can occur through the course of the years.
This is an often repeated myth and I challenge anyone to prove it or refer to published information from powder manufacturers. You won't find any.

Alliant Green Dot is an older shotgun powder, also used for handgun loads. Alliant stopped publishing the older handload data using shotgun powders when they intorduced Power Pistol and 300-MP. I use Power Pistol and it is a better powder for handgun loads. Get some. Bullseye and Unique are other old time Alliant Powders that continue to be popular and useful. But the Green Dot data, now available in old manuals, is still valid and useful. If you care to confirm in writing, you can email Alliant here: Ben.Amonette@ATK.COM
Who sent me this:
"Alliant/ ATK-Amonette, Ben <Ben.Amonette@ATK.COM> emailed my these 9mm loads today, including RED DOT!
9mm Luger


115 gr lead bullet
Red Dot start 3.7 grs max 4.2 grs
Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Green Dot start 4.2 grs max 4.7 grs
Unique start 4.5 max 5 grs
Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

115 gr jacketed bullet
Red Dot start 3.8 grs max 4.3 grs
Bullseye start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Green Dot start 4.2 grs max 4.7 grs
Unique start 4.5 grs max 5.5 grs
Power Pistol start 5.9 grs max 6.3 grs

124/125 gr lead
Red Dot start 3.6 grs max 4.1 grs
Bullseye start 3.8 grs max 4.3 grs
Green Dot start 3.9 grs max 4.4 grs
Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Power Pistol start 4.8 grs max 5.3 grs

124/125 gr jacketed
Red Dot start 3.7 grs max 4.2 grs
Bullseye start 3.9 grs max 4.3 grs
Green Dot start 4.1 grs max 4.5 grs
Unique start 4.5 grs max 5 grs
Power Pistol start 5 grs max 5.5 grs

147 gr lead
Bullseye start 2.8 grs max 3.3 grs
Green Dot start 3 grs max 3.4 grs
Unique start 3.2 grs max 3.6 grs
Power Pistol start 4 grs max 4.5 grs

147 gr jacketed
Unique start 4 grs max 4.5 grs
Power Pistol start 4.5 grs max 5 grs

Note: Start with the minimum charge wt. Reload just a few and be sure they will properly cycle the action of your pistol before reloading a quantity.
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Old December 6, 2013, 02:58 PM   #22
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Thank you Marco. Your vast array of 9mm loads there will be useful to me.
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Old December 6, 2013, 06:08 PM   #23
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That "array" is Alliant's data, sent to me by them. My point is that the old data is still valid.
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Old December 6, 2013, 11:24 PM   #24
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Green Dot is one of the finest and most versatile handgun powders ever made and has been for many decades.
People who say otherwise are newbies and make assumptions without a lick of experience at using it.

If powder formulations changed enough to matter they would call them something else. They couldn't afford not to.
Powder companies know there are reloading manuals still out there that people use that are fifty plus years old.

It's just that Alliant is now wanting to market other powders as handgun only powders and doesn't want to publish handgun data any longer for shotgun powder........which, shotgun and handgun powder have ALWAYS been interchangeable. You just need to know what burn rate to use for your application.
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Old December 7, 2013, 01:41 PM   #25
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Links to the old Hercules/Alliant Manuals in PDF:

http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre...M/Alliant.html

Red Dot also is also good for 9mm loads.
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