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Old December 10, 2013, 04:16 PM   #76
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"...it is basically hopeless to keep things secure in your vehicle..."
"What you have is a false sense of security."
and:
"Nothing you leave in your vehicle is safe or secure."
Okay, now I'm really depressed.

He's right, of course: Any sense of security a person has is illusory; no one is safe from all, however remote, possibility of harm/loss. The best we can do is try to be prepared to face the inevitible downside.

So,

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"Why make it easier for thieves to get firearems?"
I'm never trying to make it easier for thieves to get my stuff, but I'm willing to venture a trade-off in risk in order to be able to use my stuff myself.

And, having my stuff where I can use it is not, IMO, irresponsible if I take reasonable methods to secure it.

P.S., Thanks for all the thoughtful responses, and more would be interesting and instructive. I've been on two trips since I started the thread. Took the Mini-20 along on the first and the Winchester Trapper .44 mag along on the second.

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Old December 10, 2013, 05:39 PM   #77
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I didn't realize how dangerous the world had become. Maybe I take the wrong roads or live in the wrong place. I've been travelling with guns for over 30 years. I guess I should give up on hunting and fun shooting when I travel, since anywhere I stop my vehicle will be mobbed and plundered when I get a burger. I'll have to tell my friends, they travel with guns also, including a couple LEO's. They'll be disappointed. I guess nobody told them how irresponsible it was to travel with guns.

I lost some things from an old truck that didn't have functioning door locks. My take away from that is to have locks that work. I also keep it parked where I can see it, don't leave things in sight, get rooms where I can see my vehicle and it's close to the door to get out if needed, and a large dog does indeed keep people from getting very nosy. Getting past those things makes noise and takes time. Not much, but it attracts attention. There are electronic measure that assist in awareness of what's going on with your vehicle also. I'll take it from there.

This conversation reminds of bear discussions. Some feel there's no way to defend yourself from a bear, its hopeless to even try, and anyone that ventures into the woods alone in grizzly country alone is asking to be an hors d'oeuvre. I've somehow survived that (and sleeping on the ground in many places) for almost as long as I've been traveling with guns. I hardly ever get eaten.

Thanks for sharing your opinions guys. I don't agree with them, though perhaps it is in fact as bad as you say where you live, and you may be fully justified in feeling the way you do because of that. It isn't like that where I live and travel, so I'll continue with what I've been doing.
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Old December 10, 2013, 06:16 PM   #78
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I don't particularly care what anyone else decided they do or don't need to bring with them when they travel.

That being said, there does seem to be a little bit of a disconnect when people decide that:
a) the chance of crime is high enough that you should bring a rifle when you travel
b) the chance of crime is low enough that it's not a big deal to leave guns unattended in cars or hotel rooms.

Also, I think when we say "travel" some people are thinking road/hunting trip, and other people are thinking business trip.
Bringing a rifle with you when you're driving out somewhere with your buddies to hunt is no big deal. Bringing a rifle to the Hilton while you go to a conference with a bunch of co-workers is going to be a pita.
Parking where you can see your car, or leaving a dog inside aren't really options at a big convention center.
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Old December 10, 2013, 06:45 PM   #79
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I don't particularly care what anyone else decided they do or don't need to bring with them when they travel.



That being said, there does seem to be a little bit of a disconnect when people decide that:

a) the chance of crime is high enough that you should bring a rifle when you travel

b) the chance of crime is low enough that it's not a big deal to leave guns unattended in cars or hotel rooms.



Yes, this. Thank you for finding the phrasing I could not.
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Old December 10, 2013, 09:51 PM   #80
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Bringing a rifle to the Hilton while you go to a conference with a bunch of co-workers is going to be a pita.
I can tell you this was not an issue at the Hyatt in down town Houston in 2006. The staff did not even give me a second look. NYC I probably would have been rick-rolled-up.

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a) the chance of crime is high enough that you should bring a rifle when you travel
b) the chance of crime is low enough that it's not a big deal to leave guns unattended in cars or hotel rooms.
Funny that.
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Old December 11, 2013, 08:10 AM   #81
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I would never travel with long guns for defense use, especially since in my state you cannot have a loaded long gun in a vehicle unless you're a cop. When I do travel with long guns, it's for hunting or a range trip. The guns are in cases, and when I stop for gas or a small store along the way, I lay the guns in the floor board of my truck. If I hide them anymore than that I'm asking for jail time for concealing a firearm. I keep my doors locked when I go inside and I park where I can see it. Even with that, I still make a point to keep all stops short. Yes, crime can be that bad here. It's not everyday but numerous houses and vehicles are broken into here by thrives looking for expensive guns. I know of someone who was caught stealing shotguns out of cruisers. So I don't take chances.

Leaving a gun in a hotel room? I wouldn't trust house keeping. I don't travel much but when I do I keep all valuables in my car. Everything else is in a duffle bag in the room and we usually put a do not disturb sign on the door when we leave too. Do you really trust complete strangers?
Carrying the gun around with you, will attract negative attention. I guarantee that. Even in my little town, people with think your nuts. I'm sure the police will show up. Good luck playing 20 questions with a guy with hand cuffs. Depending on the cop you deal with you may not have an issue or you may get questioned about everything under the sun trying to find one little shred of something to arrest you on. Open carrying a pistol is one thing, which I still wouldn't advise, but a rifle or shotgun just seems like a bad idea especially with police. And any thief seeing you with it will probably follow you to see where you keep it. Every druggie is just itching to have that fancy rifle to trade for drugs.
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Old December 11, 2013, 08:43 AM   #82
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Old December 11, 2013, 08:19 PM   #83
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I hardly ever get eaten.
That's funny! ROFL
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Old January 29, 2014, 11:02 AM   #84
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You might consider a folding stock AK type rifle. You can fit those into a tennis racket bag and nobody will give you a second look. Pick your caliber of AK too. Whatever makes your heart beat faster.
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Old January 29, 2014, 12:20 PM   #85
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If you can legally carry a pistol in many states then go for that.
When I can't I bring my Kel-Tec Sub 2000 or my Rossi 20 gauge SxS.
Both pack easily 9 the shotgun breaks down into a very small package and are good self defense tools.
From your list I would go with either the SxS shotgun or the Mossberg mini.
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Old January 30, 2014, 08:37 PM   #86
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I would go with sks as I do not like AR's or 223 for anything other then maybe punching paper.

Any would work, I have never been questioned carrying a cased long gun anywhere but I live in the Midwest.
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Old February 2, 2014, 06:47 PM   #87
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I like a Ruger 10/22 takedown for travel. Ability for accurate fore out to 100 yards, perhaps a bit further. Easy to transport quite a few rounds of ammo.

Aside from that, my G19 is never far away.
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Old February 2, 2014, 06:54 PM   #88
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pardon me for asking and i don't want to seem picky--but it sounds like people are staying at the pitz vs. the ritz.
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Old February 2, 2014, 07:17 PM   #89
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Where are you guys staying? The Bates motel? Unless I'm on a hunting trip, I usually don't feel the need to travel with a long gun.
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Old February 2, 2014, 07:45 PM   #90
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on the road

carry ccw out of sight
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Old February 3, 2014, 01:01 AM   #91
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This, in my opinion, is one of the few cases where a pistol grip only shotgun has uses. Inherently short-range, potentially tight quarters situations. Also not hard to sneak into a hotel room. I think it would be a good choice here. You also get much lower penetration.
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Old February 3, 2014, 03:31 AM   #92
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This is a bit of a peculiar proposal you put up here.
In my own approach to the conditions you present, it comes down to "which Glock"? I have 3, all in 9mm. They're the 19, 17 and 17L. The 19 comes along when I anticipate close quarters environments. I got the 17L to settle my yearning for a pistol caliber carbine. The 17 lives in a kind of "battle bag", with 250 rounds of ammo in various magazines.
For what I'm likely to encounter, I don't feel the need for any long gun, and I don't understand why one would go to the trouble of accommodating one during travel.
When I've been in situations where I had to present a gun to change the minds of morons, the presence of my gun has had the most profound effect. My composure, which conveys confidence and deliberation has usually done the rest. When I have had to fire, all I had was a Ruger P-85 with my hot hand load of the time. I didn't have to try to kill the guy, or even hit him. As odd as it may sound, all it took was fast, well aimed fire smacking all around these guys to make them break new speed records in their departure.
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Old February 3, 2014, 09:03 AM   #93
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I suppose if you know you're going to a conference and are going to be back the next week, it isn't a big deal.

When I travel, I don't know for sure where or how long. A couple months ago, I was enroute to Jacksonville, FL, and received a call to go to GA. By 11AM, I pulled off the road to book a flight to Lubbock, TX. Another instance- I had a week long trip planned the just before Thanksgiving, and ended up stuck there until Christmas.

There is always a possibility that a hurricane or some other disaster will take place, and I'll be sent there for disaster recovery. We had guys in NOLA after Katrina, for example. And when there are rounds hitting the building, I'd rather be there with a rifle than with just a handgun.

It isn't that big a deal to put a rifle in a suitcase. I have a Mini-14 with a folding stock, and I can put it in the leg of an old pair of pants in my suitcase. It sits in the truck sometimes, but there's probably $50,000 of equipment in front of it.
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Old February 3, 2014, 09:43 AM   #94
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Okay, then, wayneInFL, although I didn't specifically identify why I usually pack away a different (from my EDC) firearm, you've nailed it.

I've become aware over the years that, when I leave home for pretty much any reason, I can't always be sure when I'll be returning.

I like to be prepared for those "unusual" situations.

Thanks, all, for the thoughtful responses and I think we would all like to hear more.

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Old February 3, 2014, 10:43 AM   #95
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I would stick to a designated full size handgun for the car. I cant imagine lugging a rifle along with me everywhere I go.

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How would I be making a spectacle of myself checking into a hotel with a rifle on my shoulder? You really should talk to some hotel clerks for some good stories. They can tell you some stories I am sure. Something tells me you don't travel much.
Forgive me if you are being sarcastic, but I have been to over a dozen states, staying in hotels in all, and never once saw someone check in with a rifle on their shoulder. Saying to someone who would question that, "something tells me you don't travel much", as if you are insinuating that checking in with a rifle slung on your shoulder is the norm, is just not the case. Not even close to the norm. I think the average person would check in first, then bring it in with a hard or soft case as not to draw attention to themselves. There's no point to walk around the lobby with a rifle slung across your back when you can discreetly carry it into your room.
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Old February 3, 2014, 03:23 PM   #96
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This thread stinks of YouTube EDC videos. Like those, I'd guess that most folks here aren't really dragging around the things they're calling out.

(Note: I'm not saying they can't be, or that nobody does. My real EDC is extensive, and I take an EDC bag everywhere. I'm simply pointing out how often people claim one thing, when they actually carry or do far less.)
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Old February 3, 2014, 03:30 PM   #97
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Google "take down AR15". You could check into the Ritz-Carlton and nobody would be the wiser
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Old February 3, 2014, 05:03 PM   #98
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A friend of mine & I used to ride our motorcycles down to the river bottoms to go plinking. Across our backs would be your average wood stocked .22 rifle. Even in rural America it seemed to stir up a bit of commotion. Nothing major but... Personally I like to draw as little attention to myself as possible when away from home. I've traveled a bit for as young as I am, 40 states & 2 Canadian provinces by motorcycle or small airplane. I really cannot see even with an extra short nfa type weapon being able to realistically have it on my person at all times to be deployed & used effectively. Any sort of regular long arm away from home would be just silly for my circumstance. If I need a full power rifle to engage a threat I would imagine I could get the heck out of dodge too. Touching of a .223 inside a motel room? Eh no thanks.

I bought a handgun just for defense. A Sig P220 & I practice with it as much as reasonably possible. I cannot imagine needing more than eleven rounds of warm .45 to defend my life, which I hope I never have to do.

Now all this isn't to say my micro 7 doesn't regularly get tossed in the front seat of my cage for no other reason than because. It'd not be my first choice for fighting from the interior of a vehicle however. I'm looking to build a 18" single barrel shotgun to break down & toss in my baggage compartment. But that's more of a survival idea since I have plans to cross very rugged land.

Point being, every firearm has it's place I'm certain. I'm just not seeing the point in carting around anything more than a handgun for defensive purposes as a civilian. Not to ruffle any feathers, jmho.
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Old February 4, 2014, 12:13 AM   #99
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When I have had to fire, all I had was a Ruger P-85 with my hot hand load of the time. I didn't have to try to kill the guy, or even hit him. As odd as it may sound, all it took was fast, well aimed fire smacking all around these guys to make them break new speed records in their departure.
What?!?!

You felt that your life was in danger so you drew your handgun and shot at some people.
Yet, you didn't feel that your life was in so much danger that you felt you actually had to shoot someone?!?!
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Old February 4, 2014, 01:23 AM   #100
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A good .357 magnum full size with a 4" barrel.

All you need.
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