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Old November 9, 2013, 08:22 PM   #1
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newbie to reloading 30-06

hi all i am new here and new too reloading .. have a springfield 1903 30-06 that i would like too start reloading for .. i just bought a lee classic loader for my 30-06 because money is tight and i just want to get a feel for reloading .. i was wondering what a good powder would be for a 180 grain bullet .. i.shoot mostly 100 yards and under for deer hunting .. need a power that is easy too get like at a local store like gander mountain .. any help is appreciated ..and also what is a good book too buy for finding specs on powder grain too use .. thanks guys for any help u can give a new guy in reloading
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Old November 9, 2013, 10:16 PM   #2
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Lee Modern Reloading is a good start place for data. I personally don't reload for 30-06, but powder is hard to come by so I'd look at the options available and thn look at the load data to see what you can use.
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Old November 9, 2013, 10:45 PM   #3
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I just started and reloader 19 seems to be OK.
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Old November 10, 2013, 03:04 AM   #4
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I have been reloading for 30-06 for a little while now, and I would recommend the Lyman reloading manual, especially if you are just getting into it. It has a wealth of information and it gives information such as which primers and different bullets are recommended for all calibers. I would think that if you are just going to stick to looking for powders at an easy to get to store some pretty common powders would be IMR4831 or IMR4350 or as mentioned before Reloder 19. I have used them all when loading 30-06. I prefer IMR4831. Powder in my area is pretty easy to find now, but I can't speak for your region. Good luck with everything, let us know how your loads turn out and of course, BE SAFE!
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Old November 10, 2013, 09:28 AM   #5
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There is more info on the 30-06 published than you really want to read. Stick with the Lyman book, one of the best out there.

Go to the powder mfgr's. web sites for the most up to date loads.

Use a Serria 165 grain SPBT with a recommended charge of 4350.
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Old November 10, 2013, 11:06 AM   #6
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I reload for multiple guns, all military in 06 and you won’t find a better powder than 4895, none, for overall use and for starting out.
My one other suggestion is that 180 is a little on the heavy side. My 03 like’s boat tails in the 165 Gr better but your 180 should work just fine.
You don’t need a reloading manual to get good loads for whatever powder you end up with. Data is available on line as the sites below. Any of the manuals are good and what you need them most for if you’re starting out is the correct and safe way to reload. Reloading manuals are cheap and the best bang for the money. I have 6 and would rate them in order. I would suggest buying several from the list below and read them twice for the reloading information before you touch a case.
1. Speer (2)
2. Sierra
3. Lyman (2 one being cast)
4. Hornady
Lee loaders are great starters but how are you going to length size the case?
My suggestion is to find someone that has been reloading for a long time and have them show you the ins and outs.
http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/default.aspx
http://www.imrpowder.com/
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/saami_pressures.htm
http://www.nosler.com/load-data/
http://www.sierrabullets.com/resources/
http://www.lapua.com/en/products/rel.../relodata/5/73
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Know...ringfield.html
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Old November 10, 2013, 11:15 AM   #7
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Yeah 180 grains is on the heavy side. I usually try to stay within the mid range of the round I am using. For .30-06, 150 - 165 grains would be great.
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Old November 10, 2013, 12:20 PM   #8
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Don't rule out 180s....I have a savage that loves them but hates 150s.....
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Old November 10, 2013, 07:35 PM   #9
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Im using Varget right now with 165gr Gamekings at a velocity of 2850fps. I usually use 4895 but wanted to try something I could also load .223 with.
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Old November 10, 2013, 09:44 PM   #10
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IMR 4064, Win 760, IMR 4350, IMR 4831, or powders in that relative speed range would be good. See what you can find.

I like to load for the 30-06. Due to the extreme variety of bullets available for this one, it is very versatile. Have fun!
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Old November 11, 2013, 04:26 AM   #11
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Make sure you have checked your serial number and it's safe to shoot, as far as load I like 3031 for 30-06 and try to stay on the lighter side remember this is an older rifle but very nice to shoot
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Old November 11, 2013, 07:43 AM   #12
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Regarding bullet weights for the venerable .30-06, remember it's parent cartridge, the .30-03 started out with a 220-gr. bullet with a 1:10 twist. An excellent combination also for heavy, 200 to 220 grain hunting bullets that were used in the .30-06 with its 1:10 twist. To say nothing about the many long range rifle matches won with the .30-06 shooting 200 grain bullets. Therefore, bullets heavier than 180 grains are certainly not too much for that cartridge. It's 1:10 twist is best suited for those heavy bullets if best accuracy is an objective.

While powders slower than IMR4064 will shoot medium weight bullets (150 to 180 grains) out faster than that and similar medium speed powders, none in my opinion have produced the accuracy of powders in the 4064 and 4895 range. So, a compromise is going to be made wanting either best accuracy or fastest speed with a bullet; you're not going to get the best of both with one powder. While differences may be small depending on how one makes the comparisons, they are there.
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Old November 11, 2013, 09:11 AM   #13
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I've been very happy with IMR4350 and have recently started loading with Reloader 17 which Alliant claims has the same burn rate, and you can use the same load data as 4350. I could not tell the difference in results.

I prefer a 180 for close range hunting. I'm more confident the bullet will stay together.
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Old November 11, 2013, 10:31 AM   #14
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I asked QuickLoad to tell me what powders would maximize performance of a 180gr softpoint/boatail out of a 26" barrel, with pressures no more than 55,000psi, at least 90% case fill with 95% burn. I then limited it to "Gander Mountain" potential powders.

Any of these, in approximate order listed:

IMR 7828 SSC
Ramshot Hunter
Alliant Reloder-17
Hodgdon H414
Winchester 760
Alliant Reloder-19
Accurate 4350
IMR 4831
Ramshot BigGame
IMR 4895
Alliant Reloder-15
Winchester Supreme 780
Hodgdon H380
IMR 4320
Hodgdon H4350
IMR 4350
IMR 3031
Hodgdon VARGET
IMR 4007 SSC
Accurate 4064
IMR 4064

There is ~100fps difference from first to last, but 180gr at 100 yards on a deer make that point totally moot.

However I agree with others here that you should go with 150gr bullet for both your ranges and your target. In that case, 4895, 4064, VARGET, RL-15 are all classic powders.
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Old November 11, 2013, 12:22 PM   #15
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Mehavey, I'd like to see your test run again but using 60,000 psi as the pressure. That's the SAAMI normal, average peak pressure for the .30-06.

But the ranking of powders is close to what I've thought was right, a couple switched places a bit (IMR 4320 and IMR4350, for example), but such is life. Thanks for posting the results.
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Old November 11, 2013, 05:43 PM   #16
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the .30-03 started out with a 220-gr
Thats true but he is talking about a Springfield 1903 millitary rifle not a hunting rifle. Again my 03-A3 likes bullets in the 165 weights for accuracy.
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Old November 11, 2013, 08:43 PM   #17
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Ozzieman, I know that. I was referencing the origin of the 1:10 twist for the .:0-06. The 7.62 NATO round shot the same weight bullets as the '06 at slower velocities from 1:12 twist barrels with better accuracy.
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Old November 11, 2013, 09:36 PM   #18
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Bart, I normally like to stay 10% below published SAAMI max's for no other reason that it's (generally) more accurate, AND because because both manuals and QuickLoad are vulnerable to all sorts of assumptions. But once starting to approach real Max(for any reason) I generally also like to go past it find where true max for the brass/chamber/primer/powder lot is... then back off.

That said, here's what QuickLoad thinks are the 180gr bullet powders for the 30-06 at SAAMI max: (Note the longer Springfield barrel assumption)

READERS: DO NOT USE THIS AS LOADING DATA.

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Old November 12, 2013, 11:01 AM   #19
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mehavey, thanks for posting the chart.

50 grains of IMR4064 under Sierra's 180-gr FMJBT Match King's was a favorite in the '50's and '60's in the .30-06 for competition. In fact, I think that's why Winchester (and possibly Western Cartridge Company, too) loaded their extra-long single-round load only .30-06 match ammo with their 180 FMJBT match bullet to equal what that load produced for velocity. Those were the most accurate commercial match rounds in its day shooting better than good lots of M72 30 caliber match ammo from arsenals.

You're right about best accuracy often happening with reduced loads.
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Old November 12, 2013, 02:51 PM   #20
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thats to all of u for all the great information ill get a good.manual and read read read before i.touch a case .. me and my dad have been shooting remington 180gr corelocks out of this old springfield for as long as i can remember and have never had a deer go more than 20 yards from were it was hit .. i like the knock down power of the 180gr .. have tryed 150-165gr at the range and it does not.shoot.at well as the 180gr .. thanks again for all the help and ill invest in a case trimmer too before reloading
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Old November 12, 2013, 02:55 PM   #21
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and were would i go too check the serial number on the gun for if its safe or not ? im sure it is because this.gun.has been shot every year for the last 25 years we have had it
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Old November 12, 2013, 04:35 PM   #22
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Re serial#:
Quote:
"...this gun has been shot every year for the last 25 years we have had it...."
As the old engineer's saying goes, the absence of evidence (of a past blow-up) is not the evidence of absence (of a future blow-up).

Please let us know the serial# range.
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Old November 12, 2013, 06:40 PM   #23
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A military unit took a low-number M1903 and handloaded ammo with increased charges until it finally blew apart. Enroute to the destruction, the bolt had to be knocked open with a mallet, and harder smacks with the mallet were needed later in the test. Bolt lugs were set forward several thousandths but the action held together until a case about half full of Bullseye pistol powder under a 172-gr. match bullet finally blew the barrel and action apart.

That said, one needs to check their M1903's number and compare it to the list of possibly bad ones. Not every one of them was bad, but enough were to be cautious for safety for the entire series.

Everyone not wearing seat belts in cars sometimes survives accidents. But those who do have better odds. I often wonder about those who don't and what their last thoughs were as they flew through the air after being ejected and enroute to their demise.
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Old November 12, 2013, 11:29 PM   #24
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i just checked my serial number and the top.of the receiver says u.s remington # 40718xx .. i put the x's for the last two because i dont like putting.entire serial numbers on the internet .. why does my rifle.say remington on it if its a springfield or at least i thought it was
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Old November 13, 2013, 12:30 AM   #25
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To get the numbers of weapons req'd, the "Springfield" was also made under contract by
Remington, Rock Island Arsenal, and Smith Corona (yes, the typewriter company).

Your "Remington" Springfield was made in 1942 and is as strong as they come.
The receiver is nickel-steel or 8620 manufactured very late in the development game.
Hang on to it.
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