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Old October 28, 2013, 05:29 PM   #1
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unique powder for .270?

I need to get a newer reloading book, mine doesn't show unique as a powder option. I want to load speer 150gr spbt with unique powder if it would work. If not can you point me towards a good all around rifle powder on the cheap. Thank you again.
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Old October 28, 2013, 05:46 PM   #2
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I think unique is a pistol powder and is WAAAY to fast to use in a rifle cartridge. What caliber are you loading for? A 150gr could be .270 .308 30-30 30-06 etc. The more info you provide the better we can help you.
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Old October 28, 2013, 05:55 PM   #3
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I don't think you are going to find any loads for Unique in the 270.
I assume you mean the 270 Win in a rifle?

Something like IMR 4831 or IMR 4350 works well.
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Old October 28, 2013, 06:00 PM   #4
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I have not looked at the .270 but Unique is generally only acceptable for low level cast bullet loads for rifle.

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Old October 28, 2013, 06:47 PM   #5
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Thank you, I only mentioned 270 in the topic, sorry. But I am in search of a good all round rifle powder now so any thought on powder?
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Old October 28, 2013, 08:03 PM   #6
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Unique is NOT a good all around rifle powder.
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Old October 28, 2013, 08:31 PM   #7
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If you do find a reloading manual that shows Unique loads for a .270 Winchester, throw the manual away quickly.
An all around powder is impossible to come by. You can use 4 Ramshot powders and load almost everything. Tac, Hunter, Big Game, and Magnum.
The under bore and the over bore cartridges just can not use the same burn rate powders.
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Old October 29, 2013, 01:31 AM   #8
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If someone tells you that you can't reload 270 with Unique, don't listen to them. They are just repeating something that they don't themselves understand.

The better question is, do you want to reload 270 with Unique? The velocity will be awfully low. Lots of us reload rifle cartridges with pistol powders (2400 and Green Dot myself) and generally use cast bullets but that doesn't mean jacketed won't work either. If you want something other than a light recoil and low velocity plinking load, you will want a more commonly used rifle powder.
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Old October 29, 2013, 01:43 AM   #9
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But I am in search of a good all round rifle powder now so any thought on powder?
At one time or another I have loaded rounds for just about every rifle I own with IMR-4064.

It will not push the heaviest bullets the fastest, but it seems to work well in a wide variety of bullet weights in different cartridges ......

I really like it for reduced loads for the kids, in .270 WIN and 7-08.
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Old October 29, 2013, 01:55 AM   #10
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it depends on what you want to do with the load using Unique in a 270. if you are looking for a full power hunting load Unique is a very poor choice. just for giggles I loaded up some 270 loads using 18 grains of Unique with a Nosler 130 grain ballistic tip. it was good for about 2,000 fps and at 50 yards 3 shots were almost touching out of a Ruger #1A. it was basically just an exercise to see how the load would work and as you can imagine recoil was very mild along with the muzzle blast.
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Old October 29, 2013, 05:19 AM   #11
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As I remember, when the .270 was still new and the long range darling of the gun rags, Hodgdon 4831 was the favorite powder for 130 grain bullets. I do not remember if it was also used for .270 150 grain bullets as well. Nevertheless, 4831 is not likely to be "on the cheap", or "all around". If you want good performance from your .270, you will have to Tailor your loads (specific rather than general-all around), to that end.
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Old October 29, 2013, 07:41 AM   #12
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Unique is a good (arguably one of the best) "all-round" pistol powders
IMR4895 is (arguably one of the best) "all-round" rifle powders

Other specific powders may be "better" tailored to other specific loads,
but if I only two powders.....




When you've got time, read this classic article for another option for
gallery (low speed/performance) loads using Red Dot powder:
http://members.shaw.ca/cronhelm/TheLoad.html

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Old October 29, 2013, 12:33 PM   #13
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Adamantium, you can reload a .270 Win with fffg black powder, or 50 BMG if you want to. The point I am making is anyone telling you to do that or any manual publishing that data a less than reputable source.
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Old October 30, 2013, 12:45 AM   #14
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No, it isn't. There is nothing "less than reputable" about publishing reduced power loads for rifle data. Just because you've never done something (which should be your first cue to not give advice the subject) doesn't mean there is something wrong with it.
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Old October 30, 2013, 07:39 AM   #15
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Varget and H4895 get my vote as the most "universal" rifle powder.
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Old October 30, 2013, 12:32 PM   #16
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This guy used Blue Dot in his rifle, if you use Unique, please post the pictures as blowup pictures are always interesting.







For your 150’s, how about some nice H4350. Or any of the 4350’s, such as IMR 4350 or AA4350. A much better choice.

Code:
 FN Deluxe  24" Barrel 
150 gr Speer Flat Base  53.0 grains H4350 wtd lot 22655 R-P cases WLR OAL 3.250"
							
29 Dec 2011 T =  51 °F 					
							
Ave Vel =	2704			 			
Std Dev =	18			 			
ES =	49			 			
High =	2727			 			
Low =	2678			 			
N =	5						

150 gr Speer Flat Base  53.0 grains H4350 wtd lot 22655 R-P cases WLR OAL 3.250"
							
14 Mar 2012  T =  80 °F 					
							
Ave Vel =	2740						
Std Dev =	33						
ES =	87						
High =	2781						
Low =	2694						
N =	10						
			good accuracy, 2nd best to date	

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Old October 30, 2013, 12:55 PM   #17
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I want to load speer 150gr spbt with unique powder if it would work. If not can you point me towards a good all around rifle powder on the cheap. Thank you again.
Unique is not a good all-around rifle powder, it is an all-around pistol (and shotgun?) powder with some specialty uses for rifle.

Varget, 4895 (H and IMR, and they are not the same thing), W748, 4064, and a few others are all-around rifle powders, and probably usable in .270 but I don't load that one so I dunno for sure.
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Old October 30, 2013, 04:00 PM   #18
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If not can you point me towards a good all around rifle powder on the cheap. Thank you again.
IMR 4064 uses the lowest charge weights for that bullet (without resorting to a magnum rifle primer) in my Speer manual for any standard type load ..... and is not the most expensive powder on the shelf at my LGS......

They list a a "reduced" load with that bullet of 22-26 grains of SR4759, but that yields pistol caliber carbine velocities ......

Ramshot powders are generally cheaper, though I do not have any data or suggestions, as I don't have any experience with them.

If you are looking to reload on the cheap, maybe buying factory second or "blemished" bullets in bulk would be a better cost cutter ....... certainly cheaper than a new rifle.
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Old October 31, 2013, 03:26 PM   #19
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Adamantium, you make assumptions not in the least bit based on fact. I have done quite a bit of fire forming with pistol powder over the years. What is the purpose of publishing load data for a rifle that has it close to 60% under powered in velocity and is running high pressure to push the bullet at a rediculously low velocity? The load also has the potential to be extremely dangerous due to the case capacity it is loaded at. You can pack the case full of Vih 24N41 if you like, but its an assanine load; just as the Unique load. Published load data is for the powders that perform best in a given cartridge and given weight bullet. You can pretty much shoot any rifle made at some velocity with any powder made. You can load a 50 BMG with Zip if you want to. Maybe Western should list that load in their published data.
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Published load data is for the powders that perform best in a given cartridge and given weight bullet.

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Published load data is for the powders that perform best for the task at hand in a given cartridge and given weight bullet.

Fixed it for ya.

I one wanted to hunt cottontails with a centerfire, a reduced load would work for that.
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Old October 31, 2013, 04:33 PM   #21
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There is published data for Unique in a .270 for use with cast bullets (140 & 150gr.)
Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, 4th edition, page 128. They ain't screamers, but they should work OK.

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Speer 150gr spbt
Sorry, no. Please use published data appropriate for the bullet you intend to use.
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Old October 31, 2013, 05:11 PM   #22
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Sorry, no. Please use published data appropriate for the bullet you intend to use.
Sorry, no: Speer #13 lists a reduced load for that bullet, 22-26gr of SR4759.

It's not unique, but it is what the guy asked for- a load for that bullet on the cheap.
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Old October 31, 2013, 05:43 PM   #23
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I use Unique all the time in 308 but only with a lead bullets. Lyman cast bullet handbook has lots of loads and it also has loads for the 270.
I use them in an old Ishapore 308 and it’s been very accurate and I haven’t thrown the manual away or blown the gun up yet after hundreds of rounds.
The loads for the 270 are all in the 20 to 28K CUP pressure.
Shooting lead bullets out of a rifle using pistol powder like Unique is not for the novice loader and must be done carefully. I use lead with gas checks.
I would not do it with jacketed.
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Old October 31, 2013, 07:00 PM   #24
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I don't know of a single 150 gr. bullet recipe you could use concerning Unique as a powder charge in your 270.
I know of other recipes if you had the powders required. {Please excuse.} I got little next generation hunters & reloaders at my door looking for a treat._
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Old October 31, 2013, 07:36 PM   #25
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I'd be tempted to try it [jacketed w/Unique] at the 28ksi/1,800fps level using QuickLoad -- but I'd hesitate to publish it.
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