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View Poll Results: Which .223 bolt action?
CZ 527 15 24.59%
Winchester Model 70 12 19.67%
Ruger M77 Hawkeye 7 11.48%
Something else 27 44.26%
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Old October 23, 2013, 02:05 PM   #26
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Since you are living in Europe I would think the CZ and Tikka/Sako rifles would be a natural choice. I have a sako A7 that easily shoots 3/4" groups and my SIL has a Tikka T3 in .223 that is also very accurate. Tikka makes both a varmint version with a 1:12 twist and another one with a 1:8 rifling twist rate that would be perfect for the 63 gr bullets. Light crisp trigger, super smooth bolt, lightweight.
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Old October 23, 2013, 02:09 PM   #27
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Scrumbag,

Remember that only the CZ Varmint has a 1:9 twist.

All the other CZs have a 1:12 twist, at least they used to have.

Be sure to check the twist on the American.
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Old October 24, 2013, 02:34 AM   #28
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NWPilgrim, yes in someways CZ or the Tikka/Sako are the most natural choice but that other great European brand Winchester (FN... :P) has a strong place in my heart.

Rimfire 5, according to CZs European Website, the American has 1:9 twist: http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/364-ce..._AMERICAN.aspx

The CZ-USA Website has the American listed as a 1:12 (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-american/)

This has got me a little concerned now. One to check out. Will report back.

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Old October 24, 2013, 06:17 AM   #29
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And a few moments ago, straight from the horses mouth:

"Dear Sir,
Thank you for your interest in rifles made by Ceska zbrojovka a.s.
I can assure you that in this case there is no discrepancy. The different twist rate is based on demands of our customers in the U.S. and Europe. Anyway we plan to unify the twist rate for the .223 Rem. cal. to be 1 : 9.
Anyway, for your convenience the website of our company business representative in Switzerland is: http://www.glaser-handels.ch/de/index.html


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Dear Sir or Madam

I have found a discrepancy in the specifications between CZs US and European websites

According to CZ's European Website, the CZ527 American (.223Rem) has 1:9 twist: http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/364-ce..._AMERICAN.aspx

The CZ-USA Website has the CZ527 American (.223Rem) listed as a 1:12 (http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-american/)

Is the CZ527 American sold with different twist rates in different markets? Or is one of the websites incorrect? I would like to know as I would like to purchase a 527 with a 1:9 twist for heavier bullets.

I would appreciate a prompt response on this as I would like to make a purchase soon.

Kind regards,"
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Old October 25, 2013, 05:39 PM   #30
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Quote:
And a few moments ago, straight from the horses mouth:

"Dear Sir,
Thank you for your interest in rifles made by Ceska zbrojovka a.s.
I can assure you that in this case there is no discrepancy. The different twist rate is based on demands of our customers in the U.S. and Europe. Anyway we plan to unify the twist rate for the .223 Rem. cal. to be 1 : 9.
Anyway, for your convenience the website of our company business representative in Switzerland is: http://www.glaser-handels.ch/de/index.html


Yours faithfully,


MILAN KUBELE
MARKETING
That is great info. I just got the CZ .223 Varmint. Deadly accurate. It has the 1:9 twist. I would like an American with open sights as well.

I shot 35 gr all the way up to 75 grain. All good! Even shot 5.56 NATO. All good.











Got over 100 rounds through mine last week!
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Old October 26, 2013, 01:20 PM   #31
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Happy to be of help SirG.

Hoping to pick mine up in a couple of weeks. Have scope, itching to get it mounted.

Did you get the new style bolt handle? Alsom what rings and scope combo? Am going with a 3-9x36 on mine

If you want an American with irons they'll have to be aftermarket though I think.

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Old October 26, 2013, 02:46 PM   #32
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I saw a new American made rifle ad on tv, it is in 223 and takes ar-15 mags. i'm not sure if it is Mossberg or savage or some other make but I like the idea of the ar-15 mags fitting.
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Old October 26, 2013, 03:52 PM   #33
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Which bolt .223

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I saw a new American made rifle ad on tv, it is in 223 and takes ar-15 mags. i'm not sure if it is Mossberg or savage or some other make but I like the idea of the ar-15 mags fitting.
It's the Mossberg MVP.
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Old October 26, 2013, 07:18 PM   #34
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I voted 'other'. I can't say that I'm the most experienced bolt gun shooter, so I don't have a complete range of knowledge of all of the competitors. But I can say that when I took delivery of my Tikka LH Sporter in .308 I was stunned at how smooth the action was, the excellent trigger, and the repeatability on paper. Granted the Sporter is supposed to be a half-step up in the Tikka line and it's too heavy to be carried very far, but it's principally different in the barrel with much of the rest being the same as the T3.
And I am also thinking of buying the left hand Hunter in .223. They have a 1:8 and a 1:12 btw.
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Old October 27, 2013, 03:45 PM   #35
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Happy to be of help SirG.

Hoping to pick mine up in a couple of weeks. Have scope, itching to get it mounted.

Did you get the new style bolt handle? Alsom what rings and scope combo? Am going with a 3-9x36 on mine

If you want an American with irons they'll have to be aftermarket though I think.

ATB,

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I put a Leupold VX-R 4x12 30mm tube. I used the CZ rings after trying the CZ weaver rail and weaver style mounts finding that to be way to high.

I did use the CZ modified bolt handle. Clearance is good. I will put the original back on to see if it clears too.

Oh, I meant to say a CZ 527 Carbine in .223 REM, if that has a 1:9 twist I am all over that!
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Old October 27, 2013, 04:10 PM   #36
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I have a savage precision carbine in 223 and 308 and both are unreal shooters. They have the accustock and accutrigger and all ya need to do is put some good optics on it and you'd be amazed by the groups you'll get. But to be honest with ya you cant go wrong with just about any of these suggestions.
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Old October 28, 2013, 05:06 PM   #37
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Savage with AccuTrigger and/or Vanguard. Take your pick. Each is a tackdriver with the right ammo. I can shoot 5 shot groups that can be covered with a nickel at 100yds. with either one.
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Old October 30, 2013, 06:07 AM   #38
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Being a senior citizen I am looking for a new rifle that is not too heavy but is extremely accurate. A good barrel but not necessarily heavy bull barrel. I thought I was settled on a Savage but after reading this entire thread I may look at CZ as well.
I want a good stock, good trigger, good barrel. I am looking for a good out of the box 223 with no need to change anything.
I did see a Remington 700 BDL in 223 used with a scope for $800.00 but I am not sure about Remington and that maybe kind of high for a used rifle.

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Old October 30, 2013, 06:41 AM   #39
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Good choice on your scope: I'm going for a 2-9x36.

Just need the rifle to turn up so I can mount it now!

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Old November 4, 2013, 12:32 AM   #40
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Ruger 77 Hawkeye Compact. Mine is a great shooter and light weight even with a small 3x9 scope. Great varmint and small game gun.
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Old November 4, 2013, 12:41 AM   #41
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FN SPR is the closest thing you'll find to a M70 .223 right now. I don't know why Winchester dropped the .223, maybe because it was to simplify manufacturing by only needi g to make two different bolt faces.
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Old November 4, 2013, 02:49 AM   #42
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Thanks Taylorforce1, I agree it is the closest thing but it is ugly and heavy and I don't think I can find one over here in Europe.

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Old November 4, 2013, 06:37 AM   #43
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Based on my personal hands-on experience, if I were going European, it would be with a Sako 85 or Tikka T3.

The CZ seems to be a fine rifle and gets great reviews, however I've not owned nor shot one.

For US makes, The Weatherby Vanguard or a Savage 10.

I recently picked up a Mossberg MVP Varmint. There is a lot to like about this rifle. Though I'm unable to confirm it, it appears the 24" fluted bull barrel is likely an ER Shaw. The trigger once adjusted out is sublime, with a crisp 2.7# brake with almost no over travel (this will most likely clean up with use). It's ability to use AR magazines is wonderful. In 200 rounds, I've had zero FTF and zero FTE. Its accuracy compares favorably with my Tikka and Savage.

There are some annoyances, but no real problems with the rifle. The length of pull on the varmint stock as supplied from the factory is for a diminutive individual at a little over 13". This is easily rectified by adding spacers or a slip on pad.

The bolt. If a Tikka T3's bolt is a Bentley Mulsanne, the Mossberg MVP's bolt is a farm tractor. It's gritty, rough and forceful. But it is extremely positive and feeds and extracts cartridges with vigor.


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