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Old October 14, 2013, 02:34 PM   #1
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Smith wesson 27 finishing issue?

I just picked this up today from my ffl.

After inspecting it further when I got home I noticed this:



It looks like someone hit it with a belt grinder.
It is blued but stands out like a sore thumb because of the visible scratch marks.

Also it isn't just on the surface. The steel is GROUND down at an angle where the scratch marks are.

Surely this isn't normal???

Thanks for the help.
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Old October 14, 2013, 05:13 PM   #2
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That certainly doesn't look like the recoil shields on any of my S&W revolvers. Looks like that one might have gotten through QC.

What's the first couple of the serial number and we can pin down a date of manufacture...
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Old October 14, 2013, 05:32 PM   #3
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That's bad. Only guess I can offer is there was corrosion of some other damage that a ham-handed owner tried to take out with sandpaper... or something.
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Old October 14, 2013, 05:34 PM   #4
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Your photo isn't really clear....but no, the S&W factory would not release a new gun with even minor scratches on the finish..../ especially in a model 27....
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Old October 14, 2013, 07:00 PM   #5
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This is a new in box pistol I bought from a dealer.

Here's another picture of some more scratches that they failed to take out before bluing



I'm no expert on guns but I do make custom knives. I know a good finish when I see one and this ain't it.

CCP are the first three in what I THINK is the serial. (my first S&W)
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Old October 14, 2013, 10:36 PM   #6
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If its blued, and the same color as the rest of the gun, it snuck past final inspection.

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Old October 15, 2013, 02:59 PM   #7
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If that gun is new, send it back
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Old October 15, 2013, 03:38 PM   #8
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I am assuming there is one gun involved, not two.

Sorry but that gun is not "factory new". It looks like it was dropped and landed on the recoil shield or something hit that area and dinged up the recoil shield and part of the frame. So someone polished out the dings and reblued the gun. The key is that the curve of the recoil shield does not conform to the curve of the cylinder, as it should (and always does), and the buffing marks on the frame, plus the rounded corners and the wrong kind of bluing.

None of that means the gun will not function OK and shoot just fine, but it is not by any means a new or like new gun.

You, my friend have been sold a damaged and reworked gun. Take it back and don't leave without a new gun or a very hefty discount.

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Old October 15, 2013, 03:58 PM   #9
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I definitely agree with the above post. If that snuck by QC, I'd believe they're not even looking at them at all
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Old October 15, 2013, 05:14 PM   #10
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Yes this is one gun.

I can't exactly take it back because it was bought out of state. Oak hill guns up in PA. The date on test round states 7/26/2013 so it was just completed recently. Oak hills said NIB.

I have contacted s&w and hopefully they will fix this.

Also I think its worth mentioning (and i did so to S&W)

The cylinder will not always close when you do so slowly. As you rotate the cylinder at some points it will close and some it wont. If you push it closed normally it works. I don't think there should be any binding of the parts.
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Old October 15, 2013, 08:53 PM   #11
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Just another indication that the gun suffered a blow severe enough to possibly bend the frame. Please don't blame S&W for that gun; no matter what anyone told you, that gun was badly damaged and then worked over by a "gunsmith" so it looked good enough to sell. I don't know if you are new to S&W's, but anyone really familiar with them would probably have spotted the problems right away and walked away.

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Old October 15, 2013, 10:46 PM   #12
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Yes I am new to s&w revolvers. I could not find this revolver or the 29 for that matter anywhere locally so I had to order out of state. (one of my local gun shops it would be a 6 month wait from s&W if I ordered one)

I appreciate all the comments. Thanks
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Old October 15, 2013, 11:43 PM   #13
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Oak hills said NIB.
I would not put that gun in the NIB category. That gun may never have been fired, but those drag marks on the cylinder tell a story. Leaving aside, for the moment the other finish blemishes, the drag marks on the cylinder say NOT NEW to me.

Those marks on a S&W are normal, and show that the action is actually working properly, BUT they don't show up until after some use. It may not have been fired, it may not have ever been owned by anyone but the shop you bought it from, but SOMEBODY cycled that action more than just a little!

I've been around S&W N frames my whole life and have had one or more of my own for nearly 40 years and NO "NEW" S&W I have ever seen or seen a picture of has those drag marks.

I'm sorry, but if you paid full price for a new gun, and got that one, I think you got taken.

Its probably legal for the shop to do what they did, but it isn't ethical.
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Old October 15, 2013, 11:58 PM   #14
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Hi, 44 AMP,

In fact, if what happened to that gun is what I think happened, the cylinder may well be a replacement from an older gun. I was sort of wondering how the frame could be as damaged as it appeared to be without the cylinder being banged up.

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Old October 16, 2013, 06:32 AM   #15
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I would not put that gun in the NIB category. That gun may never have been fired, but those drag marks on the cylinder tell a story. Leaving aside, for the moment the other finish blemishes, the drag marks on the cylinder say NOT NEW to me.
Those drag marks caught my attention right off too.

There really is something funky going on with that "new" gun.

At this point, I don't want S&W to fix it, I want my money back from the gun shop who sold it as new because even if it were never fired, that is not a new gun.
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Old October 16, 2013, 06:56 AM   #16
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I agree with you, get your money back on this one. That is definitely not a S&W finish. Somebody did some poor refinishing on this one and is trying to pass it off as factory work. By stating 'new' they might mean it was never registered to anyone, but it definitely has issues.
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Old October 16, 2013, 02:27 PM   #17
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The guy wants you to pay a 10% restocking fee to return firearms. I'm still waiting on smith&wesson to reply but I'm not sure I want to lose 10 percent? I don't want to call someone a liar when I'm not positive..
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Old October 16, 2013, 02:56 PM   #18
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When the dealer refuses to take it back, Try to get them to pay any charges incurred from sending it back to Smith. Maybe get S&W to write a letter stating that the gun is not new. That should settle things.
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Old October 16, 2013, 03:46 PM   #19
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I think I may have figured out why the cylinder wont close. The end of the extractor rod that contacts the locking bolt is ground at an angle. The cylinder will close on the lower portion but requires much more force on the higher portion.
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Old October 16, 2013, 05:59 PM   #20
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Unacceptable......I hope things get sorted for you ( they better ) ! Here the early model 27's were and still are one of the coolest revolvers S&W ever made !
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Old October 16, 2013, 06:03 PM   #21
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Those drag marks caught my attention right off too.

Same here. Something is not right in Denmark........
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Old October 16, 2013, 06:35 PM   #22
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Hi, Jeremy,

I am beginning to think the frame is bent. That kept the cylinder from closing properly, so the "gunsmith" filed down the end of the center pin so it would lock after a fashion.

I don't know how big a town you live in but in most areas the gun community is fairly small and most dealers can't afford to antagonize customers. A restocking fee is appropriate when a customer simply decides he didn't like what he bought. The fee makes up for the pain in the fanny the dealer has to go through.

But when the item is not right and was sold under false pretenses, that is not a customer changing his mind, that is fraud on the part of the dealer. If you know a stray lawyer who would be willing to write a letter about the possible consequences of fraud, it might help enormously.

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Old October 16, 2013, 07:10 PM   #23
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There should be no restocking fee because the gun is not new, as was claimed by the seller. If you paid via credit card, contact the card's customer service dept asap and have them do a charge back. The seller should reimburse you for all shipping charges and FFL fees as well.
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Old October 16, 2013, 07:22 PM   #24
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If the seller is a real AH and sticks to his story, he will simply continue to claim the gun is new, as stated, and tell the buyer to stick it and "sue me". Since even filing a lawsuit would cost many times the value of the gun (something the crooks rely on) the buyer may be stuck. S&W might rehab the gun, but if they do so, it would be purely out of good will, since I very much doubt (see above) that they had no part in the damage to the gun. In similar cases, they have agreed to sell the person a new gun at a discount; IMHO, that might be a good solution.

It is also very unlikely that the seller will be willing to take anyone's word that the gun was damaged and he can probably rally a bunch of friends who will claim to be experts and confirm his version of the story.

In short, Jeremy may be stuck. Too bad, but a lesson in knowing what you are buying. BTW, before anyone chimes in with an old saw, BATFE does NOT enforce fraud laws or mediate disputes between seller and buyer, so it would be a waste of time to try to involve them.

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Old October 17, 2013, 05:03 AM   #25
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How about some more pic's
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