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Old October 12, 2013, 09:16 PM   #1
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good weaver mount flashlight

name of thread says it all. i built a small lightweight ar15 for the house and want to get an affordable weaver mount flashlight, i dont need the latest and greatest, the brightest or the most expensive. but i do want small, the smallest available that still works well that doesnt cost a mint. please let me know what you use, if it's good for you, and a pic on your weapon would be awesome. thanks
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Old October 12, 2013, 09:42 PM   #2
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Four Sevens

http://www.foursevens.com/products/flashlights/

There's a big range of illumination with their products. A good combination of light, bright and cheap is: http://www.foursevens.com/products/QT2L-X-AF

It's 760 lumens at peak, but is only $75. I carry one in my pocket (old model with 320 peak). Weaver wise, it's a bit small, but I think that's what you are looking for. You'd need some spacers to put it in a 1" weaver ring. But it is a wide throw, not a long range light. You can see pretty damn far with it anyway, since it's so bright.

A more Weaver appropriate light a better fit for 1" rings (it's what I use as a weapon light, but mine is only 300 lumens at peak--older model again) is http://www.foursevens.com/products/MM-X-AF That one is 900 lumens peak, and 480 at longer burn times at peak. My old light at 300 lumens is a focused throw that easily gets me out to 100 yards of illumination. I'm sure the 900 to 480 lumens of the newer model is far superior to my light.

I own 3 Foursevens lights and I'd never pony up for surefires or the like, and I'll never go a cheaper brand. I've used maglights, cheapo Fleet Farm L.E.D.-bank lights, and even a cheesy Smith and Wesson "tactical" light. Broke 'em all. My four sevens may look beat up (they go shooting, backpacking, EDC, and hunting), but they have all run at 100%. Fenix lights are pretty good, too. Only knock against my last one was that I lost it.
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:24 PM   #3
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okay, so to fit in the weaver mounts, it needs to be a 1" diameter light? that's kinda what i was confused about, what size flashlight to buy for the mounts, or should i just stick with the the lights that are premade into a weaver-mount hardware?
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:33 PM   #4
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Yeah, generally speaking it needs to be roughly 1" in diameter to fit inside a weaver mount. I'd imagine (but don't know) you could get smaller mounts, potentially. But really, you can just wrap your smaller light in electrical tape to up the diameter of it to fit snugly in a 1" mount.

The Foursevens Maelstrom is made for 1" mounts, fyi.

Anything that built into a mount already tends to be expensive and often not as bright as some of the stuff I'm suggesting. Though your lightest option would probably be a pistol light: http://www.surefire.com/illumination...aponlight.html

But dang! That's $300!!! And actually, it's 4 oz, where the Foursevens is 1.8 oz. The surefire is 500 lumens max, so the Foursevens beats that pretty handily.

My god! I just checked out the rest of their (Surefire) weapon light lineup. They are so expensive they are not worth mentioning. Like, more expensive than the gun itself.
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:38 PM   #5
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Daniel Defense makes fancy inserts to bring your smaller light up to 1": https://danieldefense.com/mounts/off...nsert-835.html
But really, tape is going to work fine, too.

This is what I use for a mount. It's kind of pricey at $50, but then again when you compare to Surefire, it's a steal, and really, you can swap out your lights when you get better ones or new technology comes out: https://danieldefense.com/mounts/off...ght-mount.html

However, you don't even need to go as fancy as that, since you can just use Weaver rings like you are saying.
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:44 PM   #6
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Wow, surefire is such a ripoff: http://www.surefire.com/product/outd...tdoorsman.html That's $225 to $250 MSRP for their 115 lumen "outdoorsman" lights.

Compare that to the top of the line Foursevens Maelstrom: http://www.foursevens.com/products/MMU-HD-AA for $259 MSRP at 1200 lumens. I don't recommend that one as a weapon light (too bulky, too many CR123's, too expensive to operate), but a buddy of mine did buy one and it is impressive.
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:48 PM   #7
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Or how about a Fenix LD20: http://www.fenixlight.com/ProductMor...1#.UloXZFA_vtY

It runs at 180 lumens at uses two AA's. It's only ~$47 at Amazon. That was my EDC light until I lost it. It'd need some shims to get it up to 1", but it'd work fine at a basic weapon light.
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Old October 13, 2013, 08:42 AM   #8
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I would also look at the InForce WML, the HSP version claims to put out 200 lumens which is all you would need.
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Old October 13, 2013, 09:28 AM   #9
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I use a plastic Streamlight Polytac in a plastic Mission First Tactical mount. It is an affordable lightweight combo that comes on and off a picatinny rail with a push of a button. When I go hog hunting I replace the Polytac with an Armytec Viking for more "throw", but it's kinda pricey. BTW, I have a 4Sevens Quark Mini X that is absolutely amazing for its size.
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Old October 13, 2013, 11:28 AM   #10
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I would suggest something with an adjustable beam. It gives you the ability to flood an entire room with light or with a twist on your light you can identify someone at 50+ yards. Trust me on that one, the adjustable beam is nice.

100 lumen is adequate for 15-20 yards, 200 lumen is better and if you haven't had a 300+ lumen light before they will astound you with how much light they throw.

I have a 360 lumen light I have mounted on a scoped 10/22 for pest control. I can easily take Raccoons at 75+ yards with that light on narrow beam.

Shop around, I paid $70 for my 360 lumen light and only $30 for my 320 lumen lights. I have mounted them on everything from 22LR to 12 gauge with no issues. Most lights are pretty tough nowadays.

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Old October 13, 2013, 06:13 PM   #11
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okay, thanks everyone, i have never had an ar15 or a light attached to any of my guns, so i was unsure which route to go. i havent decided on a light yet, but i am going with the Viking Tactics mount, i can find a light to fill in the blank. i looked at several china knock-offs from utg and ncstar, but i think this is the way to go, i'm sure their lights dont hold up to years of abuse, but i'm sure a mount would. thanks guys.
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Old October 13, 2013, 06:13 PM   #12
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I run a Surefire 6PX Defender on my rifle. They are ~$80. I got mine at Walmart. It's 320 lumens, runs on 2 CR123 batteries, and has a 1" tube so any 1" scope ring will fit. It's a great little light. Light weight, and very bright.
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Old October 13, 2013, 09:46 PM   #13
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Skizzums, I have the VTAC mount on my AR, it' a great mount for the price. I use as Streamlight polytac LED in mine. For ~$35 the Polytac LED similar to the VTAC mount, in that it's good quality that wont break the bank.
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Old October 13, 2013, 10:08 PM   #14
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That's why I love these forums. It's fun to see what other people are using. And it's always informative.
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Old October 13, 2013, 10:32 PM   #15
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thank you. i hope to have it here on tuesday, but wednesday before i get my railed forend. since i have your guy's attention, can you direct me towards a pistol grip, i have long fingers and want something beefy, not concerned about storage or any frills, but once again, price is a concern. i wish i could go out and get a hands on feel of them, but from the pics, the beefist ones i can tell seem to be the overmoulded Magpul and the FAB defense. but i am just not sure from pics.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CEEQ9QEwAw

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG416/61
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Old October 13, 2013, 11:28 PM   #16
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The biggest magpul grip is the miad. It has interchangeable front and back straps that can be made to fit your hand very well. The overmolded grip is the same size as the standard MOE grip.
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Old October 14, 2013, 12:23 AM   #17
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okay, ill look into it, i'm sure i can find a magpul in the store shelves to see how it feels. if anyone cares about my super cheap AR (470$ for everything)

here it is.

and here are the parts that are on the way

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://dsgarms.com/productinfo/vtac-mk4-de.aspx

http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-...131014052150:s

http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-...t-mnt-754.html

so by wednesday, minus the flashlight and the pistol grip and a caa stock saddle, this baby will be done. thanks for the help
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Old October 14, 2013, 12:31 AM   #18
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p.s. that 470$ doesn't incluse all the junk i just ordered, so tack another 90 bucks on it....
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Or how about a Fenix LD20: http://www.fenixlight.com/ProductMor...1#.UloXZFA_vtY

It runs at 180 lumens at uses two AA's. It's only ~$47 at Amazon. That was my EDC light until I lost it. It'd need some shims to get it up to 1", but it'd work fine at a basic weapon light.
I'd recommend against the LD20. I've been carrying it for about 8 months now while deployed and, while I've been impressed with the light output, the reliability has been less than stellar. To begin with, it just eats AAs. I use my light anywhere from 10 minutes to a couple hours a day and I end up replacing batteries about once a week. Obviously depends on usage. Also, the battery cap has a ring that randomly comes loose, causing the light to either bounce between full power and a much dimmer light, or not work at all. It's an easy fix, but extremely annoying. May be caused by riding on my belt all day every day for months on end.

Also, if you plan to carry it off the weapon, the included pouch is worthless. I think it lasted less than a month. Thankfully, a cheap Maglite pouch has been pressed into service and worked flawlessly with great retention. I'd suggest getting the two AA version of the Maglite just for the pouch.

Don't get me wrong, I love the light for it's price. It helps that I can get free batteries, or I would be much less impressed. However, I would hesitate to buy another as a hard use flashlight in the future. It may work for you, just leaving it on a weapon in the corner of the bedroom, but if you plan to be taking classes and using the rifle hard, you may want to go for a tougher light.
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thanks for your review P, i was actually leaning toward the fenix for cost.
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10 minutes to a couple of hours a day will eat most higher output lights. My CR123 lights have burn times on max at like 1-2 hours, period. If you dial them down to moonlight, all models of modern flashlights (of high quality) can be dimmed down to lower burns that will last sometimes days of continuous use.

When I'm deer hunting, for example, I can set my FourSevens Quark Pro in AA (with a max burn of 205 lumens, mine is 180--older model) on moonlight mode (which has a burn time of 720 hours), walk way to mark the spot of my pack or truck, track and gut a deer, and walk back with no fear of burning out the light.

The LD22 (I guess they no longer make the LD20, the one I had) has a max run time of 150 hours on two AA's. If you are using the highest setting, it only has a run time of 2.5 hours (at best).

The Surefire Ultra is comparable to the LD22: http://www.surefire.com/charts/flash.../u2-ultra.html
Run time of 2 hours at 140 lumens at high, and run time of 175 hours on low at 2 lumens with CR123 Batteries. 'Cept it costs $299 for some reason.

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Old October 27, 2013, 11:09 PM   #22
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i bought the red-line and a ultrafire, i like both and were a fraction of the cost. i like the red-line because of asthetics, the ultrafire is bright as balls. i got it from dx.com, took 3 weeks to get here, but it's a really nice 300lm light for under 25bucks. havent had any problems yet, i know it's not the quality of a surefire, but i can't fathom buying a flashlight that will double the price of my rifle. i just want it for those bumps in the night, i'm not clearing out any drug labs or anything like that.
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i use a light i got at walmart for 15.00, its 200lums and 1 inch dia and takes two AA,s with the on/off sw a push button on the rear. my mount is a under the barrel type and to take the light off just lossen two screws and the light slides out. i use it on a remington .22 for night pest control. its made out of alu. and has a life time led bulb.eastbank.
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