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Old October 8, 2013, 08:56 PM   #1
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hand to hand self defense anyone?

not necessarily jeet kun do or anything but basic weapon retention/take-away defense, holds break aways, basic stuff to get somebody off of you and create distance so you can use your gun if possible.

if so, what do you practice, where did you learn it, how often and with whom do you practice?
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:19 PM   #2
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I'm generally of the opinion that if you let someone get within grappling distance of you, you weren't paying attention.

As far as what to do goes, the groin and eyes remain effective targets for creating space and getting to your tools.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:22 PM   #3
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that's all fine and dandy if youre in the desert, but in the rest of the world most of us live in people standing in line to buy movie tickets, groceries and what not are there even when youre paying attention.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:23 PM   #4
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That first sentence wasn't a dig at you, by the way. Just that in general, you should be using your senses to avoid allowing a threat to close within grappling distance.

Easier said than done in many environments with lots of people, sure, but at five-ten and 160lbs, I'm not going to survive a fistfight for very long.

Generally, if I'm walking past someone on a sidewalk or something, a slight step out to the edge of the sidewalk and a friendly "How's it going?" are useful ways to determine someone's intent.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:24 PM   #5
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You can be snarky if you like, but I don't "live" in the desert. I work in the desert occasionally, but I live in cities too.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:25 PM   #6
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A bunch of martial arts.. That's what I do. :-)

I started at age 10 with Judo and Tae Kwon Do. I even competed in high school. After school, when I moved to Los Angeles ( age 22 ), I started practicing Krav Maga. At age 25 I had a serious bike accident, and about 3 years ago, (age 32) I started practicing Yang Style Tai Chi.

I practice Tai Chi every day, all by myself. I'm almost strong enough, to start Krav Maga again; I was probably going to start again in 2014 with it.

For the 7 years after my accident, I was very busy with a bunch of other stuff. Mostly healing.. Long, long journey...
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:26 PM   #7
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that's a lot of martial arts training there. do you do any weapon retention/defense specific training?
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:30 PM   #8
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I've wanted to try out Krav Maga for awhile, but between that and the Tavor SAR I just bought, I'm worried people are going to start thinking I'm a closet-Israeli.

It does look like a no-BS approach to unarmed combat and I like that.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:34 PM   #9
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im trying to see if anybody practices this kind of stuff: http://www.officer.com/video/1117922...ensive-tactics

this is just one example.... it can apply to cop and private citizen alike.

essentially trying to counter a gun grab or attack where you cannot just draw and fire like youre on the range.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:37 PM   #10
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that's a lot of martial arts training there. do you do any weapon retention/defense specific training?
I think you can look up a Krav Maga Center near you, and check it out. It should answer all your questions.

http://www.kravmaga.com/
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:39 PM   #11
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Nah, I've never done weapon retention training like that.

I sorta make it up as I go, honestly.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:40 PM   #12
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psychedelic, I already do this kind of stuff. I was wonder who else might also. I work with other cops who don't do anything to prepare for a physical attack, thinking they can just draw and fire their gun each time.....
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:48 PM   #13
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I work with other cops who don't do anything to prepare for a physical attack, thinking they can just draw and fire their gun each time.....
That's a poor mindset for them!!

I'm sure there are folk here who study what you are looking for. I guess let us see who else chimes in.

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Old October 8, 2013, 09:50 PM   #14
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I do this mostly: http://www.gossgt.com/ssgt-introduction but ive also done some other less politically correct things.

I brought this topic up because I see plenty of draw and fire your gun posts and stuff, but almost nothing for when you get knocked to the ground before you can access your gun et cetera.

I think this is an area most gun carrying folks don't know much about.... many think if you carry a gun youre good to go, with no other defensive plan.
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Old October 8, 2013, 10:05 PM   #15
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I do this mostly: http://www.gossgt.com/ssgt-introduction

Very interesting, are you an instructor? I'd be interested in taking a class, but I'm a civilian.
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Old October 8, 2013, 10:06 PM   #16
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not an instructor.... but there are other systems like this open to all folks...
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Old October 8, 2013, 11:25 PM   #17
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Kyukoshin, taekwondo, jujitsu (sp?) and not even remotely mastered by any means. Ears tear off like velcro, throat, eyes, collar bones break like pencils, and a kick just above the knee. I'm 5'11" 175lb so like another poster I need to end a threat as quick as possible.

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Old October 8, 2013, 11:29 PM   #18
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I took krav maga for a few months, but the cost and distance slowed me down (yes, relatively weak excuses).

I personally loved it and think it's one of the better styles. The methods are straight forward and efficient--my first class I felt I walked away with a firm grasp on a useful technique.

You need to find one that focuses on practicality over fitness (applies to whatever style you choose). Our school had very meager mats (could work on the concrete if you wished). We focused as much on realism as to the conditions you'd likely encounter as we safely could. Some of my friends thought it was a little too brutal (getting some cuts and scrapes was a real possibility), but I think anything less would've been a disservice if you actually wanted to prepare for an unfortunate event.
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Old October 9, 2013, 03:23 AM   #19
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jerry, 10/9/13

I have taken a course called ECQC- extreme close-quarters concepts run by an instructor from Mississippi who travels in the US and some foreign countries (Austria, South Africa I believe) giving classes. Take a look at his website at www.shivworks.com. It is geared to protecting and accessing your weapon from 0-3 yards. It is a very physical/real world course where you will get bumped and bruised and you do different force on force training scenarios with Simunition pistols and protective gear. I liked it so much I took it a second time. The course is about one-half LEO, and the other half civilians and some military. The course deals with you being attacked both standing and on the ground and by single or multiple persons. It's lots of fun and very instructive.

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Old October 9, 2013, 05:21 AM   #20
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oldandslow, im familiar (somewhat) with shivworks, its a good training system/class. I thought the lead instructor was from Louisiana not Mississippi... doesn't really matter though, its good stuff, and that's what im talking about... training beyond the draw and fire and thinking your good to go.
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Old October 9, 2013, 11:10 AM   #21
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For our dept. we train about once a year in hand to hand training, that link to SSGT it pretty much like what we do and what I learned in the police academy. I would also look up PPCT. PPCT is all about touch pressure, and pressure points. It teaches you about applying pressure to nerve clusters, and incorporates defensive strikes to nerve clusters also. This system is very effective. And it does not demand that you are in top physical shape or 6'10 220. Anyone with enough practice can master these skills. We use ppct at work when we have too and it works well.


http://paact235.com/courses/courses/...ontrol-tactics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1buPFmSBIhk
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Old October 9, 2013, 01:39 PM   #22
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S2 Institute....

In central Florida/Tampa area is www.S2institute.com .
They offer a 1 day weapon retention/defense class. You do not need to bring any real firearms.
The S2 cadre includes Jay Pace, a retired sworn LE officer & K9 handler who served in SE Asia; USMC, Scout-Sniper.
S2 teaches the weapon retention seminar 3/4 times a calendar year & it runs around $65.00 USD.

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PS; Tues is "all you can eat chicken wings" night at the nearby Quaker Steak & Lube.
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Old October 9, 2013, 01:58 PM   #23
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I've wanted to try out Krav Maga for awhile, but between that and the Tavor SAR I just bought, I'm worried people are going to start thinking I'm a closet-Israeli.
Funny I just bought a Jericho 941 and wanted to do Krav Maga. But some of the Goju Ryu stuck....I think? I don't even know anymore.
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Old October 9, 2013, 02:48 PM   #24
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Wow! I wasn't aware that somebody at 5'11" and 185 pounds couldn't fight! I guess my 5'6" 110 lb self shouldn't even attempt learning!

Facetiousness aside (and no disrespect intended other than good natured ribbing), I've also considered taking up Krav Maga here locally. The other one I've been interested in is Aikido but I'm hearing that has a very long exposure time before you have a practical use with it.
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Old October 9, 2013, 03:00 PM   #25
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What ThatBeardedGuy said

^^^^^^^^^^^^^What ThatBeardedGuy said^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Situational awareness is my first line of defense.

Standoff defense / offense is the second. I'd rather be out of his range if possible, and have avoided more than one incident that turned out bad for someone else being aware.

If you're that close to the young thug, it's less likely to turn out as well.

40 years ago I'd of happily engaged. Not now.
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