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Old October 4, 2013, 04:30 PM   #1
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FN SCAR everywhere?

I have been thinking about getting an hk mr556 because of parts commonality with the lower of an ar 15. Recently I have been seeing a lot of scars though. Like here at the Kenyan Mall Shooting (flip through the pics):
http://www.reuters.com/article/slide...3V20130922#a=4

Do you think the Scar is going to be more popular than the hk 416 in the future? The SCAR is proprietary, but I have been seeing it a lot on random blogs with police and so on and so forth.
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Old October 4, 2013, 04:49 PM   #2
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The SCAR is a wonderful $900 rifles that is priced at 4X the true value. It's excellent in many ways, but I cannot see that it does a lot better than the AR-15 rifles, and certainly not $2,700 better.

I am sure it's gas system is going to be better over several barrel lives worth of full auto fire, but for those of us shooting semi-auto and those that don't have unlimited money for ammo, it's a moot point.

In the 308 it is also excellent but way over priced. I have a friend that lives about 6 miles from me who got a 308 version of one, and I have used it. It's accurate and trouble free. It cost him $3,600. I have an FN-FAL that is only 1/2 as accurate as his SCAR and it weighs 2 pounds more. It shoots about 2" and his SCAR shoot about MOA
I have to ask myself if I would pay $3600 and $86 per mag to get a 1" smaller group and to save 2 pounds of weight.
I answered myself with a resounding NO!
But that's me....others may thing it's worth that much. Some people do, or they would not pay that insultingly high price.
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Old October 4, 2013, 04:56 PM   #3
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I am with you on that. I bought my first car in 2007 for $1800 and I still drive it. This is a 1 or maybe 2 year off purchase, but those SCARS seem to be popping up everywhere even with the Mexican military. Those proprietary mags are an issue too now that you mention it and parts are extremely expensive for the SCAR. Nevertheless i still plan on getting one.
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Old October 4, 2013, 05:14 PM   #4
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I would take a H&K MR556 any day over a SCAR. One in a SHTF scenario like you said it is compatible with a regular AR-15 lower along with other parts. As far as I know all SCAR lower receivers are made of plastic. I have held up scar and they just don't feel like $3000 rifle to me.
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Old October 4, 2013, 05:24 PM   #5
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I agree, but I am wondering if the SCAR will takeover as a military or law enforcement rifle at some point and therefore have more part to barter or get in a SHTF situation. I don't see a need for law enforcement to get a SCAR (or HK 416) but having that mr556 would be nice for part commonality. You are right though. I have heard people say they are flimsy for the light models.
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Old October 4, 2013, 05:24 PM   #6
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I have a SCAR 17 and think it's an amazing gun. It's accurate even with crappy ammo, totally dependable and it looks awesome.


But that being said, it's basically a vanity project and is more just something to have rather than something I needed.

I find that the 5.56 versions look funny with the 16 inch barrel and I couldn't stand having one unless it was SBR'd. If you're going to get a SCAR, I'd highly recommend the 7.62 version.

Though I think the SCAR is better in some ways than an AR platform, it will remain a niche item for certain militaries and for happily single gun enthusiasts with disposable income.

Though FN does manufacture M16s for the Government, I don't think they make ARs for civilians. I think FN would of been smarter to do what HK did and basically improve the existing AR platform, instead of developing a whole new weapon. But then I do like the result.
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Old October 4, 2013, 05:35 PM   #7
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Dido for the mr 556 having parts commonality and approving the m16. Oh btw, (DROOOL) I am jealous. HDD tactical has some cool conversions and parts for the SCAR too. http://hi-desertdog.com/fnh-scar-/ba...ion-kits-.html
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Old October 4, 2013, 07:03 PM   #8
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Once I get my new job rather than this GS nightmare I am currently employed in, a SCAR is on my short list of guns to get. Mainly because of the cool factor and I embrace diversity. That being said though, I did qualify with the SCAR-L when I was in AFSOC and while it was a cool little rifle with lots of bells, whistles and all shiny and what not, in reality, it didn't shoot any better than my issue M4 did. I would say that if you have the money to burn, a SCAR is a nice rifle. However, an M4 works just as well at a lower price. Now a SCAR-H is another matter and again, that's on my short list of rifles to get with the better paying job in the future as well.
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Old October 4, 2013, 07:45 PM   #9
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I'd personally get the HK, but I'm I big HK fanboy. The SCAR is probably pretty close behind, though.

If you're just looking for the one with the most parts compatibility, I think the HK will hold that for a while even if the SCAR becomes more standard--there's a LOT of AR stuff out there already. Then again, it's a gamble on IF the SCAR becomes more standard while the HK already is.

I really don't think either one is better than the other in any major way and you really can't go wrong with either one. I'll personally be jealous of you regardless which one you pick.
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Old October 4, 2013, 07:53 PM   #10
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USMCGRUNT congrats and the SCAR should be on everyone's short list. Lol. Rikakiah I think I might just watch for a while and wait since I have time. If I don't find any wide spread adoption of the SCAR then I am going for the HK probably.
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Old October 4, 2013, 08:44 PM   #11
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The SCAR 16S just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't see it doing much a good mil-spec AR couldn't do just as well for a lot less money.

The SCAR 17S... that's a whole 'nother story! Still over-priced, though.
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Old October 4, 2013, 09:06 PM   #12
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Trust me I can count a ton of reasons to buy an AR over it but if you want one, go for it. The heart wants what the heart wants. I paid a lot for an AR. I could have honestly bought two 6920 Colts for it. But I shoot the crap out of it when I can and love it. I had a guy trying to talk me into a Sightron scope on a $6k custom bolt gun. Nothing against Sightron but I wanted a S&B, Premier, USO, or NightForce. I settled with the ATACR and have yet to regret it.

You do what you want and have fun. SCARs are great firearms. The couple I had my mitts on were top notch.
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Old October 5, 2013, 10:17 AM   #13
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I would get an hk mr 556 and just slap a di upper on it if need be. The SCAR parts are quite expensive especially the barrels which are like a grand and I can get two and a half or three AR chrome lined barrels for the price of one SCAR barrel. This price thing is making a big difference as far as parts for SHTF.
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Old October 14, 2013, 03:06 PM   #14
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I've enjoyed my SCAR 16 for a couple of years now. Compare to my ARs, the key difference is in the feel of the rifle during fire and ease of target acquisition (not to mention the ultra-simple takedown and maintenance). In my opinion, the very heavy bolt carrier on the SCAR gives the rifle a much more Garand-type recoil. Accuracy is similar between the two, perhaps favoring a heavy-barreled stock AR.

One downside is that the muzzle brake deafens everyone standing behind you at the range. Ergonomics and reliability are what the SCAR is built around. The rifle shoulders well and adapts to different sights slightly better than my ARs. To me, the SCAR is the BMW of semi-auto rifles--an ultimate shooting platform but by no means the only player on the market.
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Old October 14, 2013, 11:14 PM   #15
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The SCAR is a nice weapon, but is incredibly expensive for what you get. It can't do anything better than a good AR. I think there are better designs.
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Old October 15, 2013, 10:02 AM   #16
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I like my SCAR 16 - I sold my Steyr AUG to buy it.

It did not cost me $3k. It was $2300.

However, buy what you like. I enjoy mine. The HK rifles ARE higher in cost than a SCAR.

I also removed the muzzle break and had a flash hider put on. That solved the noise issue. Sold the factory muzzle break for more than the flash hider cost as well...



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Old October 16, 2013, 08:05 AM   #17
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Saw you on another thread ShipWreck. You inspired me and I was able to have some range time with one of those Mepros. Nice RDS.
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Old October 17, 2013, 10:31 AM   #18
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Yes, they are cool. I prefer the triangle reticle (what I have) over the bulls-eye. The bulls-eye covers too much of the target. But, you use the top tip of the triangle on that version. Works great
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Old October 21, 2013, 11:03 PM   #19
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I don't believe that either the SCAR 16 nor the H&K are a good buy. Of course, follow your hearts desire, but from a practical standpoint, they don't provide any meaningful improvement in semi- mode versus a standard mid- to upper-quality AR. They are well designed, nicely machined, quality parts and good barrels but I suspect that you will see none of that in typical range, hunt, HD use. I actually like them both but the prices are so high that unless you're dripping money, I'd just pass. And all this is coming from a perennial H&K home boy I should add.
In the 5.56 segment, I would take a good look at the Tavor. It's a remarkable build, a bull-pup that works well, likely has good range and is extremely reliable. Oh, and it's less money than either the H&K or the SCAR.
The SCAR 17 (or H) seems to be another matter entirely. I do respect the fact that the parts of the military that can exercise the option have discarded the SCAR L for the H model. These people know their business and speak with their lives and their wallets. And the reviews have been uniformly excellent. Lightweight, accurate, easy to service. Again, a huge amount of money. That part is a decision only you can make. And yes, the parts (FN accessories, mags, etc.) are pricey. But no on could state that you're buying a lesser machine than anything else on the market.
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Old October 22, 2013, 08:43 AM   #20
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The SCAR 16S doesn't interest me at all (don't see how it does anything better than a good AR or the nifty little Tavor).

But the SCAR 17S is a completely different story. If I had the funds, I'd be all over one!
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Old October 22, 2013, 09:12 AM   #21
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Aug / Tavor is a better 5.56 rifle.

FN SCAR is the best semi-auto .308 currently in production. Still too expensive for what it is, and you don't get what you pay for at these prices, but it is the best.
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Old October 22, 2013, 03:15 PM   #22
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Aug / Tavor is a better 5.56 rifle.
All personal preference. I sold my Steyr AUG A3 to buy the SCAR. I shoot better with the SCAR for some reason. I don't miss the AUG.

I shot the Tavor and almost went that route, but preferred the AUG
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Old October 22, 2013, 03:52 PM   #23
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Great rifle, but way overpriced.
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Old October 26, 2013, 12:54 PM   #24
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If you're going to get a 5.56 Blaster, and want value, stick with the AR15 pattern rifles. You are not going to get much return with the expensive SCAR or Hk416 variants. The TAVOR and AUG are fun rifles, which are nice and compact, but at the end of the day, still shoot a 5.56 cartridge.

If you want a 800M Capable, 7.9lb 7.62 battle rifle, the SCAR17 is a beast, fully worth it's $2,600 price tag.

I am fairly confident that the SCAR16 will not become more popular in the future. The SCARs you see from the Kenya incident were the 7.62 SCAR17 models.
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Old November 1, 2013, 04:23 PM   #25
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Thanks guys for commenting. I do believe SOCOM still uses the scar 17. I am very interested if you guys find anything about it being adopted in other places please post something and thanks!
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