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Old October 2, 2013, 06:46 PM   #1
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Hunting banned National Wildlife Refuges

IT was in the Minneapolis Star Tribune and on the State of WI DNR website the The Federal Government has stopped all hunting, fishing, hiking, trespassing on all National Forests, Waterfowl Production Areas, and National Wildlife Refuges. This is due to Government shutdown. Going to be some very unhappy sportsman, hikers and birdwatchers.


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Old October 2, 2013, 07:18 PM   #2
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Then remember that and vote those folks out.

If that is true, then I guess that means there is also no logging going on in those NFs?
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Old October 2, 2013, 07:34 PM   #3
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So they have to double up the number of rangers to keep you out spending money they don't have. DUH
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Old October 2, 2013, 07:44 PM   #4
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Not a lot to talk about, really. So, don't. I'll leave this open so others can take note; it likely is a nationwide deal.
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Old October 2, 2013, 08:31 PM   #5
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Not sure who determined hunters need a "babysitter" to use the public's land.....
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Old October 2, 2013, 10:36 PM   #6
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Any body have a legit source for National Forest Service/BLM no hunting

People here are hunting all over federal lands. Wife and I got three Antelope on National Grass Lands yesterday.

More people out the today.

Here's what I found doing a search.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/ope...uges-other-fed

They closed wildlife refuges, but National Forest/BLM Lands is still open for hunting.
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Old October 2, 2013, 10:53 PM   #7
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If they can't pay their cops how do they expect to keep them "closed" to folks that just go in anyway?
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Old October 3, 2013, 12:11 AM   #8
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^ This
If no one is getting paid to run it how are they keeping people out and enforcing.
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Old October 3, 2013, 05:23 AM   #9
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I don't know. What is the difference between a National Forest and a Wildlife Refuge?
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Old October 3, 2013, 05:47 AM   #10
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If they can't pay their cops how do they expect to keep them "closed" to folks that just go in anyway?
Isn't this the same as illegally hunting on private property?

The federal government manages "public land", but it doesn't mean a citizen can do whatever they want on it.
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Old October 3, 2013, 06:29 AM   #11
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When they put up fences and barricades around outdoor statues to keep people from looking at them because they are "closed" can you conclude anything other than drama and spite by the executive branch?
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Old October 3, 2013, 06:48 AM   #12
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Good link Kraigwy
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Old October 3, 2013, 06:55 AM   #13
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Hunting banned National Wildlife Refuges

National forests, unless they're gated are opened. I just checked a wilderness area/ NF we are rifle hunting and its wide open.

Lots of misinformation floating around.
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Old October 3, 2013, 07:44 AM   #14
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Got an e-mail from my state DNR saying all state lands are open....federal forests and refuges, for now, are closed.
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Old October 3, 2013, 08:06 AM   #15
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Across the Mississippi from me is a refuge called Cat Island, great hunting and easy driving distance from Baton Rouge. Bow season opened Oct 1st and the gates are closed and locked. GW
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Old October 3, 2013, 10:08 AM   #16
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I don't know. What is the difference between a National Forest and a Wildlife Refuge?
Wildlife Refuge is just that, a place that protects wildlife. I can only use the National Elk Refuge in Western Wyoming as an example.

The National Elk Refuge is a place set aside to protect elk during the winter season. At times, the numbers of elk exceed what the Refuge can support, so they allow limited hunting under the watchful eye of fed game biologist.

Since the Gov. is shut down, they furloughed the biologist so there is no one to oversee the hunting.

As to National Forest. The NF System manages National Forest. The State's manage the game in NF NGL (National Grass Lands) and BLM (BlM comes under the Dept of Interior, the NF & NGLs come under the dept. of Ag.)

Feds aren't needed to police hunting in NF, NFL, & BLM. Again hunting is controlled by the state so hunting in these areas isn't affected.

What would be affected is Firewood Cutting in NF, Grassing on NF, NGL and BLM lands.

This whole NO Hunting Bit is just a rumor started by who knows who for who knows why.

I know its not effecting the rest of my hunting season one bit.

But forget about what others say, forget about what I say, get off the 'net and call your state game commission and get the CORRECT answers from them if you're worried about it.
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Old October 3, 2013, 10:46 AM   #17
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Thanks for the useful info, Kraig. Much better than some of the pointless snark.
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Old October 4, 2013, 08:39 PM   #18
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Forest service law enforcement are "accepted" personnel, and are not furloughed. They are still working.
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Old October 5, 2013, 01:24 AM   #19
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it is closed in Tennessee

Went to Tnwildlife.org and clicked on one of the links and it said all permits were cancelled on government lands.It states a few that are still open but even most of the boat ramps are suppossed to be closed.I can just see them telling all the guys fishing or skiing to get off the lake because their breaking the law this weekend.
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Old October 5, 2013, 09:11 AM   #20
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I was up to the Upper Mississippi Wildlife Refuge earlier this week to do some hiking.
There was a warden truck parked across the entrance and a sign saying that the area was closed due to the shutdown.
The funny part is that, in 20 years of hiking, canoeing, and fishing in the refuge, I have never seen a federal employee out there at all.
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Old October 5, 2013, 11:25 AM   #21
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what better way to stop a stalemate than to turn the populace against the other side.

most national parks that I'm aware of either have incredibly strict rules for hunting or just never allowed it in the first place. of the few that did allow it(without a 30 page rulebook) I'm sure there aren't a whole lot of people that actually do their hunting there. with that said. it's a national park, it has a gate at every entrance and entrance requires an admittance fee. without people to charge admittance then there is no admittance to anyone, not just hunters. is there no state BLM, DNR, F&G, DOW, or Access Yes land around which forces people to hunt on national parks?
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Old October 6, 2013, 09:06 AM   #22
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This whole NO Hunting Bit is just a rumor started by who knows who for who knows why.
It is no rumor according to my state's (Wisconsin) DNR. This is why advice given on the in Internet needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The infamous Necedah Wildlife Refuge close to me, which usually has the majority of it's 43,000 acres open for hunting, is closed to hunting until further notice. One of my favorite grouse hunting haunts. While campgrounds and offices are closed in the Chequamegon and Nicolet National Forests, as of now other recreational opportunities such as hunting and hiking are still allowed.

With the immense amount of info available to us on the internet, and public chat sessions available on most state DNR/F&G websites, should we have a question about what is legal and what is not, we should go to the appropriate place for an answer.
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Old October 6, 2013, 10:26 AM   #23
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It's probably worth considering just how much we are dependent on the federal government for our hunting rights.

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Old October 6, 2013, 11:10 AM   #24
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Hunting banned National Wildlife Refuges

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It is no rumor according to my state's (Wisconsin) DNR. This is why advice given on the in Internet needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The infamous Necedah Wildlife Refuge close to me, which usually has the majority of it's 43,000 acres open for hunting, is closed to hunting until further notice. One of my favorite grouse hunting haunts. While campgrounds and offices are closed in the Chequamegon and Nicolet National Forests, as of now other recreational opportunities such as hunting and hiking are still allowed.

With the immense amount of info available to us on the internet, and public chat sessions available on most state DNR/F&G websites, should we have a question about what is legal and what is not, we should go to the appropriate place for an answer.
From what I was told by a DNR officer in Nebraska, all wildlife refuges and national parks were closed. National forests on the other hand are open to hunting so long as there is no gated entrance that charges admittance. Along with that all BLM land was still open.

That's straight from a horses mouth. I did read that certain state lands in your state were having issues due to them receiving partial funding from the Feds, not sure the ins and outs of that though.

I know where we're going is national and BLM land and it is as open as it was 3 months ago.
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Old October 6, 2013, 02:31 PM   #25
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National wildlife refuges in Arkansas closed

This is probably an obvious one to everyone, but Ive got friends that were kicked out of the white river national refuge. Our bow season opened sept28 and they were already in there hunting. I wasn't planning on hunting on any of our refuges this year. But always like to have the option. I've hunted them a lot in the past. Believe there are 10 national wildlife refuges in Arkansas. The white river NWR alone is around 180000 acres.

One that really galls me is theyve shut off the Buffalo River. This is a national "park" I believe with a strip of federal land down each side of the river. So you have to cross federal land to get to the river and they have closed all access roads. I wasn't planning on going to the buffalo river in the near future either, but this one just seems flat out wrong. It's a navigable waterway! ***? They're still collecting my taxes!
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