The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: Semi-automatics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old October 2, 2013, 04:40 PM   #1
Arizona Fusilier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 19, 2000
Posts: 748
5.45 x 39

I have had a Romanian AK 74 for over 10 years now. While I don't have a big round count, I am thinking of promoting this to my tertiary caliber (behind. 308 and. 223), since ammo seems to be even more cheaper and available then 7.62 x 39. At. 17 to .20 cents a round, I have scored four spam cans in the last few months.

Anyone else take note? Anyone take "the plunge" and dive into an AK 74 to take advantage of this? Did you buy out if curiosity, collectability, or a serious change in your overall defensive rifle battery?

Or are you satisfied to leave all that cheap ammo to me?
Arizona Fusilier is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 05:35 PM   #2
ttarp
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 4, 2013
Posts: 189
I got a Waffen Werks AK74, partly because of cheap ammo and partly because I like the SKS better than the AK in 7.62X39. Pretty fun rifle to shoot, I'm curious to see how long the surplus lasts.
ttarp is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 05:42 PM   #3
amd6547
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 27, 2006
Posts: 1,327
My Saiga 5.45 is my main rifle now. Not just because the ammo is cheap...I find I really like the round.
__________________
Still waiting for my Flashback...I would like it now, please.
amd6547 is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 06:18 PM   #4
tahunua001
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 21, 2011
Location: Idaho
Posts: 5,267
a long time ago I was considering a bolt action in 5.45x39 as a cheap plinker but never followed through with it. 5.45 was kindof short lived compared to most military cartridges so the surplus is just not there. it will only take a couple ammo scares to completely run through the supply of 5.45 before it's gone and then you're stuck paying 40-50 cents a round for brown bear and wolf.
__________________
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar.
I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein
You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin
Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.
tahunua001 is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 06:28 PM   #5
amd6547
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 27, 2006
Posts: 1,327
Good...keep thinking like that, and convince others, too...more for me.
__________________
Still waiting for my Flashback...I would like it now, please.
amd6547 is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 06:31 PM   #6
ripnbst
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 24, 2010
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 1,385
5.45 x 39

Quote:
Originally Posted by tahunua001 View Post
a long time ago I was considering a bolt action in 5.45x39 as a cheap plinker but never followed through with it. 5.45 was kindof short lived compared to most military cartridges so the surplus is just not there. it will only take a couple ammo scares to completely run through the supply of 5.45 before it's gone and then you're stuck paying 40-50 cents a round for brown bear and wolf.
Then buy it all up now while its cheap and sell during the next scare for 3x what you paid for it. Or when the Milagros dries up sell for a gain. At $180/1000 rounds I am considering picking one up. Not for the ammo hoarding for later resale either, more because 5.56 is $600/k for brass cases Fed XM193 Milsurp.
ripnbst is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 08:17 PM   #7
plouffedaddy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 13, 2011
Location: Carolina
Posts: 3,192








The AK-74 is my favorite platform. Great, great guns.
__________________
Mrgunsngear's Youtube Channel
Certified Glock Armorer
plouffedaddy is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 08:58 PM   #8
Mobuck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 2, 2010
Posts: 1,969
I got a 5.45 AR upper and then an AK74 as a second in that caliber. I have 3-4 of those spam cans around somewhere for emergency needs but mostly shoot whatever steel cased FMJ is cheap. The AR is coyote accurate with Hornady 60 V-Max. I just scored a big pile of Silver Bear FMJ at $250 per 1000.
The biggest appeal beyond economy is being able to just go out and pop away w/o worrying about picking up the brass. If you watch the video demo's, you'll find that even the commercial FMJ gives some pretty wicked results soft targets.
Mobuck is offline  
Old October 2, 2013, 09:59 PM   #9
Tucker 1371
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 29, 2008
Location: East TN
Posts: 1,892
I got one when I was 19 (24 now). I've always had a draw towards guns that aren't quite mainstream (lots of 7.62 AKs out there, not as many 5.45s). Cheap ammo was just a bonus. I love my SAR2, either the sights or gas tube are canted but it shoots just fine out to 100yds with the Mojo microclick sight and I love the way it handles. Just picked up a spam can from Wideners so I'm sitting pretty on ammo right now, could use a few more mags though.
__________________
NCO of Marines, 3rd Award Expert Rifle, 236 KD Range
D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! OEF 21JUN-20SEP2011
REV. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Tucker 1371 is online now  
Old October 3, 2013, 09:54 AM   #10
plouffedaddy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 13, 2011
Location: Carolina
Posts: 3,192
RGuns has mil surplus '74 mags for $17 with $15 flat shipping no matter how many you order. Copes has Tantal steel surplus mags for $15 with $10 flat shipping. Good days for '74 mags as of late.
__________________
Mrgunsngear's Youtube Channel
Certified Glock Armorer
plouffedaddy is offline  
Old October 3, 2013, 10:22 AM   #11
7n6
Member
 
Join Date: January 8, 2013
Location: missouri
Posts: 45
I started shooting the 5.45x39 a while ago and love it I love the ballistics of the round and I ofcourse love how cheap it is.
I had always wanted a '74 , went to a gun show one time saw a century one while walking by and had to have it.
Its one of my favorite rifles to shoot now, also it has very little recoil so my gf likes it and my little brother who is 10 shot it a couple times and had a great time with it.
__________________
Never trust a man who doesn't clean his guns.
7n6 is offline  
Old October 3, 2013, 10:24 AM   #12
Boomer58cal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 18, 2013
Location: closer than you think
Posts: 964
I thought about getting one for years. I never could get over the fact that it barely breaks a thousand pounds of muzzle energy. About 500 lbs less than 7.62. Its a flat shooter though.

If I didn't already have 7.62x39 and .223 I'd probably get one. I've already got too many chambers to feed if you know what I mean

But hey more for you right

Boomer
__________________
The number one cause of death in the 20th century. 290,000,000 citizens were first disarmed and then murdered by their own governments. This number does not include those killed in war.
We're from the government, we're here to help
Boomer58cal is offline  
Old October 4, 2013, 02:06 PM   #13
Tucker 1371
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 29, 2008
Location: East TN
Posts: 1,892
Gotta love that über cheap spam can ammo but DANG! If it ain't dirty! Took a little trip to the sandbox in 2011 and my brother shot it while I was gone and didn't clean it barrel was pretty rough but still shoots to my liking, I'll probably replace it another 2000 rounds or so.

*edited to add pic

__________________
NCO of Marines, 3rd Award Expert Rifle, 236 KD Range
D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! OEF 21JUN-20SEP2011
REV. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Tucker 1371 is online now  
Old October 4, 2013, 09:41 PM   #14
Venom1956
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2008
Location: WI
Posts: 2,810
Quote:
Gotta love that über cheap spam can ammo but DANG! If it ain't dirty!
I'd think the corrosiveness would be more of a problem the dirt.

I got my 74 so I wouldnt need to get my brass after shooting... Naw but i really like the AK and I love running it against an AR with 10lbs of stuff on it that my friends have.
__________________
E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that.
I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph.
Venom1956 is offline  
Old October 5, 2013, 09:02 PM   #15
seanc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 1998
Posts: 156
Tucker1371:
Quote:
my brother shot it while I was gone and didn't clean it
Your brother deserves a kick to the balls!

I wouldn't say 5.45x39 milsurp is dirty. As long as it's cleaned up in a timely manner to rinse out the salts, it shouldn't be that bad. Like any corrosive milsurp ammo, you need to clean the rifle. You're brother needs to learn a lesson in firearm care, corrosive or not.

Per the OP: I bought because I already had a 7.62x39 rifle and wanted to try the AK74. I read good things about the round and the price of ammo was a definite plus. Also, I was able to buy my 1st Siaga for $299, so I jumped! This is definitely a "stack it deep" caliber, given the current price. The 5.45x39 has also become my home defense carbine because of it's easy shooting and the available ammo from Hornady.
seanc is offline  
Old October 6, 2013, 07:20 AM   #16
plouffedaddy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 13, 2011
Location: Carolina
Posts: 3,192
Your brother deserves a kick to the balls!

Agreed. My brother did a butchered stipple job on on of my Glocks when I let him borrow it---kicked him in the junk afterward of course He's in his mid 30s now but that doesn't stop me from kicking him in the junk just like I did 20+ years ago

Back on topic....


More '74 gun **** from yesterday:


__________________
Mrgunsngear's Youtube Channel
Certified Glock Armorer
plouffedaddy is offline  
Old October 6, 2013, 07:25 AM   #17
Pilot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 21, 2000
Posts: 3,581
I have a Romanian CUR-2 that I converted to an AK-74 clone. Nice rifle, but my favorite is my Polish Tantal which came in kit form, prior to the barrel ban. I had it built up on a U.S. receiver, and it is a heck of a 5.45 rifle. The side folding stock is a little funky so I put a butt extension on it to make the LOP fit a bit better.
__________________
Pilot
Pilot is offline  
Old October 6, 2013, 02:07 PM   #18
Tucker 1371
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 29, 2008
Location: East TN
Posts: 1,892
Quote:
Your brother deserves a kick to the balls!

Absolutely, I just convinced him to join the Marines instead of the Air Force though, I think 13 weeks on Parris Island should be punishment enough
__________________
NCO of Marines, 3rd Award Expert Rifle, 236 KD Range
D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! OEF 21JUN-20SEP2011
REV. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Tucker 1371 is online now  
Old October 9, 2013, 11:47 AM   #19
seanc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 28, 1998
Posts: 156
Tucker:
Try RGuns for AK74 mags. They've got the best prices I've seen for quite some time.

http://www.rguns.net/

Also, look into getting some stripper clips. The AK74 stripper clip system was designed right. Period. Get several sets with spoons so you'll have plenty of spoons, just in case.

https://www.desertfoxsales.com/STRIP...p/dfs-097b.htm
seanc is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2013 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.10227 seconds with 7 queries