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Old October 1, 2013, 09:19 PM   #26
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This "partitions" bullets, are those the mfg or what? Just google partitions?
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Old October 1, 2013, 09:28 PM   #27
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SSTs- everything from Target, competition to shooting varmints to deer, hogs even buffalo.
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Old October 2, 2013, 08:29 AM   #28
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Im just going to buy a box of each of the barnes, nosler, hornady in different grains and test them out see which one shoots better out of the rifle with the best accuracy and i'll stick to that one.

If i drop dear with a 223 im 100% sure that 150-165 grain on a 30-06 should be more than what i need. Thanks for all the help gents! Much appreciated!
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Old October 2, 2013, 08:53 AM   #29
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Any 150 grain projectile out of a .30-06 is more than adequate for hog hunting.

Yes, hogs have thicker skin than deer - but they are not armor plated by any stretch. I've killed pigs with a .22 magnum at 75 yards, so you don't need something that has massive penetration just because it's a hog.
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Old October 2, 2013, 02:13 PM   #30
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Yes anything will kill a hog if shot through the ear but I shoot plenty of hogs and have shot them through chest looking right at me with a 30-06 and never phases them. I wouldn't go hog hunting with a 22 magnum unless its all I had and I'd only make ear shots
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Old October 2, 2013, 02:30 PM   #31
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I'm a fan of the Sierra ProHunters. I usually use 125gr in my .308 and my dads 30-06 with both running around 2600fps. Now i've always liked the lighter ProHunters for the SouthEast deer. They also work pretty decent on hogs.
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Old October 2, 2013, 04:38 PM   #32
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Any 150 grain projectile out of a .30-06 is more than adequate for hog hunting.
Or... dear or black bear or about anything else in North America.

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Old October 3, 2013, 08:44 AM   #33
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This "partitions" bullets, are those the mfg or what?
The "Partition" is made by Nosler. It is a controlled expansion round and may have been the first of the so-called premium bullets on the market. Today they are still the standard by what others are judged.
There are other brands and styles that are excellent but you cannot go wrong with the Nosler Partition.
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Old October 3, 2013, 10:47 AM   #34
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My dad and I both use Fed Prem 165 Sierra GK BT. Between us close to 50 deer taken with that combo. Never lost or even had to track one of them. Yes the rib cage is usually hamberger. The whitetails in PA are always to small to worry about the rib meat anyway
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Old October 3, 2013, 12:27 PM   #35
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Ive killed hogs with the AR15 on 223 without an issue. Ive always heard that 223 is not a big enough caliber to do much damage except for small game likes foxes and coyotes and would be inhumane to shoot a deer with it and so far i have killed this year 3 different deers, 2 this past weekend and 1 a few months ago and except for 1 that ran about 30 feet the other have dropped where they stood with a good shoulder shot.

My cousin took 2 hogs this weekend with his 30-06 tikka T3 i believe not sure but he was shooting a silver shell black tip bullet 150 gr i believe didnt even look at the box and the 2 hogs had massive shoulder damage.

He shot a deer about 200 yds away, hit it in the stomach and bullet traveled up the gut and almost came out above the right shoulder, we recovered the mushroom bullet and the damage there was even worse, the entire stomach was blown to shyt and same with the shoulder.

All in all i took 2 deers with the 223 and he took 2 hogs and a deer, mine dropped and no damage whatsoever and his ran about 25 yds.
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Old October 3, 2013, 02:05 PM   #36
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running 150 nosler btips in my sons -06. worked perfectly so far on the couple of deer he's shot. ive even used them for a while in my custom 30-338
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Old October 3, 2013, 04:48 PM   #37
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What Boomer said any 150 gr or 165 gr will do anything you need.
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Old October 5, 2013, 10:23 PM   #38
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Agree with Boogieman the 165gr Sierra Game King is a nasty performer, I opted to take neck shots only after pulverizing a few shoulders with my 30-06, two deer nearly lost their heads as a result of those neck shots last year, tracking is a non-issue but meat damage certainly is. Thus far only one deer has taken a step after the shot, and that was an accidental gut shot, that deer did not make it 20 yards I think that is the strongest testament to the destructive performance on game. Exit wounds range from fist sized to basketball sized (not kidding) I am pushing 2900fps with IMR4350.
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Old October 5, 2013, 10:39 PM   #39
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This is what I am talking about, the SGK works remarkably well but I am looking for another load that does not tear these small deer up as bad. This looks like she was hit by a 50 BMG with hollow points. Caution graphic.
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Old October 6, 2013, 10:30 AM   #40
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A 30-30 with a RN or FP bullet is still the best deer/hog combo IMO. You still get excellent terminal performance with low meet loss.

My Grandpa liked his 95 Win in 30-03 with a 220g RN. He hated those new-fangled pointy bullets. In many ways he's probably still right. Inside 200 yards RN do their job great and inside of a 100 yards I feel they are far superior to SP's.

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Old October 6, 2013, 11:02 AM   #41
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Your Grandpa's 30-03 ? I bet that was a rare one !
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Old October 6, 2013, 12:12 PM   #42
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Your Grandpa's 30-03 ? I bet that was a rare one !
Even better! Grandpa was a rough rider and it was personal gift from president Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt him self.

It is my most prized possession.

They only made it in 30-03 for 3 years ( 1905-08 I believe ) before they replaced it with the 06.

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Old October 6, 2013, 03:06 PM   #43
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Cool gun

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Old October 6, 2013, 05:31 PM   #44
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"My Grandpa liked his 95 Win in 30-03 with a 220g RN. He hated those new-fangled pointy bullets. In many ways he's probably still right. Inside 200 yards RN do their job great and inside of a 100 yards I feel they are far superior to SP's."

I think you might be right. There was an article by the late Finn Aagaard when he was using IIRC 220 gr. Sierra round nose bullets to cull a few Whitetail der on the ranch where he lived and worked. The pictured he showed looked like about a 2" exit and he said deer dropped quickly. I forget which gun rag it was in.

"Hehehe. I bet it wouldn't shoot very far. A 30 caliber sitting on top of 3 grains of black powder. Lol"

Of course you must be being facetious. Surely you must know the 30-03 became the 30-06 only three years later. You do know that, don't you?
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Old October 6, 2013, 09:00 PM   #45
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165gr Sierra GK over 55.0 gr Accurate 4350.
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Old October 7, 2013, 01:58 AM   #46
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What kind of speed are you getting with 55gr? Are your SGKs making a mess of them?
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Old October 8, 2013, 12:19 PM   #47
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Kachok,
Sorry, i don't own a chronograph. Load is under max in my books and shoots exceptionally well. I would not say terminal performance is extreme. just very effective on Missouri whitetails.
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Old October 8, 2013, 01:16 PM   #48
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Well that's good, I got really good accuracy with 56gr of the slightly slower burning H4350 might try that next time out, either that or just bring the 6.5x55 which does not blow up 1/4 as much meat. I am a big 6.5mm fan I never thought I needed a 30-06 I actually bought that Savage for cheap as a donor action for a 6.5-06 or 280 AI wildcat build, should have never shot it first, darn thing posted 1/2" groups with 150gr and 165gr bullets using several powders, now I cannot bear to tear it down, when a rifle shoots that good you cannot just let it sit all season you gatta hunt with it
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Old October 8, 2013, 04:07 PM   #49
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The OP needs at least a 220 gr partition or 200 gr TSX to get the job done.

Just kidding. If it were me, keeping in mind an absolute max of 300 yards, most shots 100 or less, I'd load a .150-180 gr bullet of choice, whatever the rifle likes best. Sierra Pro-hunter or Speer Hot-cor would be good places to start. Don't really need to waste money on a premium bullet for that application IMO.

Also I would suggest loading them down around .308 win velocity levels. That will cut down on tissue damage at the shorter ranges. Keep in mind that deer are cleanly taken at 300 yards with a .30-30 and proper shot placement
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Old October 8, 2013, 10:42 PM   #50
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steveNChunter,

I don't agree with what you wrote:

You wrote:

"Also I would suggest loading them down around .308 win velocity levels. That will cut down on tissue damage at the shorter ranges. Keep in mind that deer are cleanly taken at 300 yards with a .30-30 and proper shot placement
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The primary idea of using a 30-06 is to get the increase in velocity it allows. That increase means the use of heavier bullets also if wanted that have superior ballistic properties that improve trajectory, less wind drift, greater penetration and a quicker more sportsmanlike death to the quarry.

Your statement that "Deer are taken cleanly at 300 yds with a 30-30." Makes me smile.
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