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Old September 23, 2013, 09:52 PM   #1
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What Type of Gun Is This

Hello everyone,

I ran into a couple of guns of my great grandfathers and I'm not sure what kind this one is or the value.

It has a Remington UMC emblem located on each handle.

On the left side of the gun, just above the trigger it says PA 22490.

On the right side it saying Remington Trade Mark.

On top of the barrel it reads:
The Remington Arms Union Metallic Cartridge Co, Inc. Remington
Remington Ilion Wks Ilion, NY USA Patents Pending.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old September 23, 2013, 10:01 PM   #2
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Remington Model 51

Neat little pistol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_51

Probably worth in the range of $500-$900 depending on condition.
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Old September 23, 2013, 10:09 PM   #3
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It is a Remington Model 51, a fairly scarce auto pistol. They made about 65,000 from 1918 to 1926 in two calibers, .32 ACP and .380 ACP. In good condition, they are a sought-after collectible. The gun operates in a sort of delayed blowback that was designed by John Pedersen (of "Pedersen device" fame) not so much because it was good, but because he had to work around the patents of another John, Browning.

I strongly advise not trying to disassemble that gun without obtaining correct information on how to do it. One thing is that the grips are held on by a unique system that requires they be slid down to be freed; trying to pry them off will ALWAYS break them. (Browning had patented the idea of simply screwing on the grips.)

The pictures are not good enough to determine the condition. One in top condition will run close to $1000, $250 more if in the box with papers. Ones in average good condition run around $500.

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Old September 25, 2013, 12:15 AM   #4
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Thanks for the info

John and James,

Thanks a lot for the info.

I retook the photos and got somewhat of a better quality.

Do you guys think this gun would sell in the lower, mid, or upper range of value?

Thanks again for your help.
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Old September 25, 2013, 09:55 PM   #5
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It's REALLY hard to grade guns from photos. With that caveat, I'd say that the gun will likely be on the low end of the value scale based on the photos.
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Old September 25, 2013, 10:33 PM   #6
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I'd agree with John. Rust on the slide serrations, heavy wear near the muzzle (including rust on the left side), and blueing wear overall. It's still a nice pistol and a bronze toothbrush and bronze wool will take care of the rust,(use very carefully) and remove the grips and clean them with soap and water. Detail strip and clean and it will look pretty good. Wish I owned it!
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Old September 26, 2013, 06:14 PM   #7
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A big plus is that the grips are in one piece (see my post above), and there is no heavy rust; assuming it is fully functional, I would put it in the $400+ range.

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Old September 26, 2013, 07:12 PM   #8
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Browning FN 1910

It looks a lot like a Browning 1910.

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Old September 26, 2013, 11:03 PM   #9
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Some guns of my Great Grandfathers, How much can I get for them! Gasp, stutter, breathing hard, Where's my Bull Whip, where is that young man selling his heritage, bring him to me in chains, off with his head. Oh well, now that is out of the way, I will only say, once they are gone, they are gone forever. I would love to have anything from my Great Grandfather or even my Grandfather, but I didn't even have a chance to meet him. Your property, if you need the money to buy shoes for the baby, by all means sell them, it is not for me to say nor to make a judgment, just make sure you think it over.
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Old September 26, 2013, 11:16 PM   #10
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Thanks for the info

Thanks you all for the information. I really appreciate it.
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