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Old September 23, 2013, 03:15 PM   #1
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Rifle reccomendations wanted

hello, im looking at getting a new project bolt rifle, the remington 700 was one i was looking at, as it is an accurate platform and is a reliable firearm with history and lots of customization possibilities



basic specs:
Round type : 30 06 or 308
stock: easy to take off and swap with a newer stock, mainly looking at getting a precision stock to make shooting easier(adjustabl cheek rest & recoil pad.
scope mounting : rail mount
Bolt action: smooth bolt operation as well as quick
magazine: feed from bottom, 5 - ten rounds
barrel: 22"
durability: resist water,sun, dirt, drop

conversion of rifle to mainly an accurate rifle

ive looked @ a few below
-savage axis scope hit by bolt or finger hit scope,no stock modification that i know off
-ruger american, great rifle but again no stock modification that i know off
-remington 700, lots of stock options
-mauser, i havent looked at this yet but good reviews

basically i need a rifle with a good bolt, and decent accuracy that i can work from and get a cheeck rised stock on , with a magazine


thanks for the help
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Old September 23, 2013, 05:07 PM   #2
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I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Remington makes several versions where all the metal is made from stainless steel. That would be the most weather resistant. But it would be the entire action and barrel, not just the bolt.

You may be refering to a fluted bolt. That is only to reduce weight and was only offered as a factroy option on the 700 Ti which is long discontinued. It had a titanium receiver and fluted bolt for weight reduction. Not to enhance reliability.

The only other thing I can think of is a Remington with a controlled round feed action. The 700 is a push feed. Generally CRF is considered far more reliable in mud and dirt. Remington used to import a rifle made in Europe that was CRF, the 798 and 799. They stamped their name on it, but they have not been sold new for several years. Nor was it actually made by Remington.

Some photos of the 798

https://www.google.com/search?q=remi...&bih=533&dpr=1

The Ti

https://www.google.com/search?q=remi...00+ti&tbm=isch
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Old September 24, 2013, 08:02 PM   #3
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interesting and thank you, i was unsure of the bolt in question. the crf would be a better design due to its nature .
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Old September 24, 2013, 10:04 PM   #4
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For target shooting to 300 yards, how about getting a SPS Varmint in .243 and then upgrading the stock?

Then you can get into hand loading to make much better ammo.
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Old September 25, 2013, 06:17 AM   #5
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I have seen 700 bolts machined with a twisted flute design in the bolt body, but this is done to lighten it, or purely aesthetic reasons, not for any kind of protection.

fluted like this?
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Old September 25, 2013, 08:23 AM   #6
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looking for Remington 700 any tips?

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For target shooting to 300 yards, how about getting a SPS Varmint in .243 and then upgrading the stock?

Then you can get into hand loading to make much better ammo.
Because it isn't .308 or 30-06. That's part of the criteria given. .243 isn't an ideal caliber for "all in one" rifle.
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Old September 25, 2013, 10:13 AM   #7
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Old September 25, 2013, 10:29 AM   #8
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Get a Mauser, I highly recommend them, IMHO nothing even comes close to the precision you get from a Mauser. After recently working on a buddys Remington 700 to make it more accurate, my opinion of them has changed. I always thought I wanted one until I took his apart. after seeing how they were made and assembled ......no thanks . Poor quality , finish and assembly.....Just my two cents....................LOUD
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Old September 25, 2013, 11:44 AM   #9
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Because it isn't .308 or 30-06. That's part of the criteria given. .243 isn't an ideal caliber for "all in one" rifle.
Sorry you feel that way seeing as the .243 is one of the most versatile cartridges available.

And the OP asked for any tips or recommendations, so I gave them. For 300 yard paper punching, the .30-06 is more than you need. Heck, even the .308 is.

My philosophy if I was in the OPs position would be to go with the caliber that would accomplish what I wanted while beating me up the least... Too many people think of the .243 as far too lowly of a cartridge for any type of serious work
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Old September 25, 2013, 12:59 PM   #10
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my concept with the 30 06 is due to the fact i have roughly 4 guns that use it, so i dont need to buy any special ammo. i have 1 rifle 308, 1 rifle 7.62x39 and 1 rifle 7.62x54r, oh and a k31
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Old September 25, 2013, 01:01 PM   #11
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maybe i should make a new post asking for rifle recommendations......
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maybe i should make a new post asking for rifle recommendations......
If you want to stick just to .308/.30-06 then go for it. If you don't handload, then you may want to consider it if you want to shoot tight groups.
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I was always a big supporter of Remington rifles, however as of the last few years I would take a Savage rifle over Remington any day.

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Old September 25, 2013, 06:12 PM   #14
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I would go with a Remington 700 30.06. The 30.06 is one of the most versatile calibers. If I were you I would look for an older one, (one that has iron sights) I have one from the 1970's. the older ones are way better. The trigger mechanism was changed in the later years and it turned to crap. the older triggers are easily adjustable and more desirable. A lot of the older models have been converted into sniper rifles because of there triggers.
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Old September 25, 2013, 06:50 PM   #15
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I'd go with the 700. Ok, I'm biased because I love my sps-v in 308. I've heard nothing but good things about the ruger Americans though. As for Mauser, I would wait and see how the new 98 actions are reviewed.

I think of the rem700 as the Chevy 350 of guns. It is not a sophisticated design (painfully simple in fact) compared to other actions. It doesn't have controlled feed. And from an engineering stand point, really shouldn't work as well as much of its competition. But, they have made millions of them, it works great and reliably, and you can get pretty much any aftermarket part you can think of for it--making it something far greater than what came from the factory.

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Old September 26, 2013, 03:43 PM   #16
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I was always a big supporter of Remington rifles, however as of the last few years I would take a Savage rifle over Remington any day.
I agree. I had a Rem 700 but as soon a fellow at the range let me try his Savage 10, I went out and bought one. I have been shooting it for about 3 years now and I think it was a great move for me. Ironically I am getting ready to start the process to build a custom rifle based on Rem 700 action. So looks like I've come full circle.

If you don't shoot much and recoil is not an issue 30 06 is a great round. But if you want to shoot a lot the 308 will make your barrels last a lot longer. That's why I chose it. And with the long wait times for barrels it's something to keep in mind.
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To get a magazine like you are wanting you need to figure in another $300 or so to whatever rifle you choose to get new bottom metal and a magazine.

Here is my Remington 700 (.308):



I'll get a better picture this weekend.
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Old September 27, 2013, 08:37 PM   #18
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see my project processes will note prices of what i purchase and the total endevours cost.

the magazine addition as well as a aftermarket bolt , scope, sling, and such would all be layed out as a building block.

id say id first get a scope
then shoot till im comfortable

get new stock with magazine

and then get a tubbs bolt later on

process of bedding or what adjustments would be done will also be noted
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Old September 28, 2013, 09:11 AM   #19
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You can build pretty much anything you want on a 700. (some of the largest African cartridges excluded)
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Old September 28, 2013, 11:18 AM   #20
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now it was reccomended i go for an older version due to better performance


what year would be best to hunt for?
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Old September 28, 2013, 02:34 PM   #21
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"now it was reccomended i go for an older version due to better performance"

It's not so much for better performance but for better quality. I have three Remington M700s, a BDL 30-06 made in 1981, a Classic in 30-06 made in 1985 IIRC and a 1986 Classic in .35 Whelen. (Was it 86 or 88 for that one, I forget.) Quality is good on all three rifles but I feel that the BDL is slightly nicer. All are good rifles. Since a conglomerate bought Remington,I hear the quality has gone rapidly down hill. What a shame for America's oldest gun company.
This should help you determine date of manufacture.


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Old September 28, 2013, 06:43 PM   #22
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interesting.


it seems like a few of the american gun makers are getting cheap on their products . the only cheap one ive seen thats worth the money is the american (ruger) my buddie has.


i was looking at the mossberg 100 atr for a bit, but its not a detachable magazine, the prce was low at 250$ with a scope. but thems the breaks

but id say the main point, is to build a budget rifle that can be accurate , has a magazine, and i can get an alternative stock on that aids in function of accuracy.
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Old September 28, 2013, 09:11 PM   #23
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Get the rem 700 mountain rifle in 06, best all around gun on the planet
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Old September 29, 2013, 03:17 AM   #24
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Have you looked at Howa? I had a 1500 in .308 and my only gripe was the stock being too flexible and heavy. I sold that rifle to fund my M1A and I slightly regret that. As a bonus Howa uses Remington length weaver bases. A Howa 1500 combo package can be had for about $600 at Sportsman's Warehouse that comes with an entry-level scope (Nikko Sterling Nighteater 3-10) and a UTG bipod. It will get you started, at the very least. Upgrade to a B&C Medalist and glass bed, slap on a better scope, tweak your loads, and you have a very competent rifle and you won't be able to blame a miss on your equipment.
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Old September 29, 2013, 10:53 AM   #25
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hmm ive never heard of the Howa 1500, i do like the look, is it internal magazine or detachable?

how far is the bolt pull and how much degree is the turning factor for the bolt?
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