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Old September 21, 2013, 07:08 AM   #1
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7.62x39 Silver Bear Soft Point Gel Test





Finished up the testing of the Silver Bear 7.62x39 125gr soft point round. Lots of folks say Russian soft point rounds don't expand; well I figured I'd test them to see if that's the case. Here are the conditions and results.

Test conditions:

-16'' SGL21
-Test rounds fired from 15 feet
-"FBI spec" (Their term, not mine...) Clear Ballistics gel block

Chrono Data:

-2403 feet per second
-1601 foot pounds of energy

Results:

-Expansion started at 1'' mark
-Pretty nasty wound track
-Steel jacket separated from the core
-20.5'' penetration

Here's the video showing the test, the permanent cavity, both shots into the gel, and a discussion of the results:

Silver Bear Soft Point HD Video Link
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Old September 21, 2013, 08:53 AM   #2
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Nice write up and video.

My buddy used a silver bear SP to take a nice 6 point white tail a few years ago with his Yugo SKS. It was a quartering toward shot so the bullet shattered the shoulder bone before shredding its lung.

If I didn't have a nice supply of Wolf/Uly with the "fragtastic" 8M3 Sapsan bullet, this would be what I would load in my Saiga.
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Old September 22, 2013, 02:29 PM   #3
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As always thanks for the review.

I've watched most your vids but I haven't noticed if you've tested the herders stuff. Herters is the only stuff I been able to find in quantity. Just curious if you've tested it.

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Old September 22, 2013, 07:43 PM   #4
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Thanks for the review, I was thinking about running these in the 7.62x39 AR I am building for hunting.
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Old September 30, 2013, 11:10 PM   #5
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thanks for the review, i always buy the softpoint x39 whenevr i see it, not knowing if it actually made a difference. i prob have a thousand rounds or more of the tulammo SP from wal-mart, they usually always have it, and its the same price as the fmj's or hp's
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Old October 1, 2013, 11:44 AM   #6
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Very interesting test, thanks for taking the time to do it and share the video.

With all the interest in .300 ACC and other rounds using .308" bullets and producing similar velocity as the x39 with 125 gr bullets it is great to see some of the cheap ammo does pretty well. I was thinking of getting a .243 or .260 bolt rifle for family members that are recoil shy, but now I am thinking maybe a CZ bolt action in 7.62x39. It would be able to shoot cheap practice ammo of which I have a boatload. And with handloading I could use good bullets for hunting.

I would like to see a lot more testing of various bullets in the x39. How about some of that Russian 150 gr SP ammo? Handloaded with 125 gr and 150 gr SP?
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Old October 1, 2013, 11:48 AM   #7
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Now show me how it does at 100 yards ......
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Old October 1, 2013, 04:01 PM   #8
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The temporary cavity appears to be about 2" in diameter. So, no, it's not "FBI spec" gelatin. You also didn't calibrate it.
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Old October 1, 2013, 05:59 PM   #9
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Thanks for the review.

I've used HPs when hunting, but unfortunately they keep getting caught on an angle in the feed ramp of my AK. So I've always loaded a HP as the round in the chamber and FMJs for the rest of the magazine (when you're pig hunting you want lots of rounds).

But now I think I may get some load SPs up for hunting.
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Old October 2, 2013, 01:40 AM   #10
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Nice AK, and that is one mean looking muzzle brake you have on it.

Thanks for the review and vid.
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Old October 2, 2013, 08:11 PM   #11
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So, no, it's not "FBI spec" gelatin.


The reason it's in quotes is it's a model (if you will) of ballistics gel from Clear Ballistics. Like saying, Levi's "501s." So yes it is "FBI spec" as it's a brand name.

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You also didn't calibrate it.
Really? Do you run surveillance on my backyard (where it's calibrated....)? Go troll somewhere else.
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Old October 3, 2013, 09:51 AM   #12
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Maybe next time he should ask before he criticizes.

Thanks again

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Old October 3, 2013, 02:49 PM   #13
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how did they feed? i bought a bunch of brown bear soft point 223, but they jammed while feeding into the chamber, and the soft point would flatten out and jam it further. i ended up using a cleaning rod to punch it out from the other end. needless to say, i only load them into my bolt action 1 at a time now.
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how did they feed? i bought a bunch of brown bear soft point 223, but they jammed while feeding into the chamber, and the soft point would flatten out and jam it further. i ended up using a cleaning rod to punch it out from the other end. needless to say, i only load them into my bolt action 1 at a time now.
Generally that type of feeding issue is a gun problem and not an ammo problem. Generally speaking.

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Old October 3, 2013, 07:44 PM   #15
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always feeds well in my sk. the tip will get dinged up if i unload and reload it a few times, but still doesnt cause a problem.
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Old October 3, 2013, 08:48 PM   #16
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The herter's stuff worked great on a coyote, which frankly, in my experience are harder to drop than a deer. Shoulder to shoulder shot with a 1.5" exit wound. Other than that, I haven't had experience. It looks like the Silver Bear would be a great utility round for just about any application.
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Old October 4, 2013, 12:59 PM   #17
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Never had a malfunction to date with it.
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Old November 3, 2013, 05:43 PM   #18
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Your gelatin is NOT "FBI spec" regardless of what you claim or the manufacturer claims. Both you and the manufacturer are not being truthful.

There is NO calibration BB visible in your gelatin block.
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Old November 3, 2013, 06:47 PM   #19
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Are Levi's 501s really 501s? Again----it's a model.

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"FBI spec" (Their term, not mine...) Clear Ballistics gel block
That's a direct quote from my OP. …and how am I claiming it's FBI spec gel again???
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Old November 3, 2013, 07:11 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by jimbob
Now show me how it does at 100 yards ......
Would you settle for five rounds of the stuff at 196 yards (per Google Earth) from a WASR/10-63?


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