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Old September 10, 2013, 06:01 AM   #26
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I'm going to make this a sticky thread for awhile.

I'm reminded of Browning's recall of just about every .40 High Power that they released in the first year.
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Old September 10, 2013, 06:36 AM   #27
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I guess I am odd man out on this one... I would not have a problem at all buying from this company. Why? They are standing up and trying to do the right thing with the recall. A recall/payment is better then ignoring a problem.
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Old September 10, 2013, 07:34 AM   #28
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I can't say I am the least bit surprised, nor do I understand the desire to throw money away on a company with little to no established track record. On top of that factor in where they are based and it all added up to a big zero interest from me.

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Old September 10, 2013, 07:53 AM   #29
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^ Me too.
New companies are supposed to build their reputations on good quality and value above those of their established competitors.

There are just a few parts in a gun that can not be allowed to fail, the slide is one of them as its almost certain to smash the shooter in the face when it comes apart.
They failed miserably.
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Old September 10, 2013, 08:18 AM   #30
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I believe in second chances, I'll wait for the new models and get one.
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Old September 12, 2013, 12:06 AM   #31
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KIndly find below the link to our local forum where a member was injured due to the slide failure. It is second incident for C model which have been reported, although it is believed that there are many other such incidents have gone un noticed.

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Old September 12, 2013, 06:02 AM   #32
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That really bites. I have an F that was recalled and replaced. I also have a C. Really like the guns. The new ones look interesting. I'll give em another shot.
^^Same boat ^^

A slide should not fail like the two we've seen on Pakguns. What kind of ammo are they shooting in Pakistan? I've shot over 400 Ranger +P rounds and 1500 more standard pressure through my C without incident.
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Old September 12, 2013, 06:05 AM   #33
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Most of the time it is Chinese Red Box what we call it here along with S&B
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Old September 12, 2013, 09:40 AM   #34
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As to the information itself, wow. I have never heard of a recall like this where the manufacturer states there is no possible fix and all firearms must be returned. Idk how a company recovers from news like this.
IIRC, the South African Vektor - which looked like a ray gun - was also a safety disaster and declared unfixable.

The pakgun pictures of a guy who got hit in the face isn't good advertising.
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Old September 12, 2013, 10:02 AM   #35
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I cant figure out why they're saying it cant be fixed?
The website says its due to a bad heat treating, and apparently the slides are coming apart at the thin left side and through the ejection port on the right (obviously the weakest section of any auto pistol).

Why not simply replace all slides with new redesigned beefed up and properly manufactured & heat treated slides?
Recalling and junking all of them seems worse for their reputation than correcting the problem.

What else is wrong with the gun causing it to be junked altogether?
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Old September 12, 2013, 10:07 AM   #36
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What kind of ammo are they shooting in Pakistan? I've shot over 400 Ranger +P rounds and 1500 more standard pressure through my C without incident.
The Pakguns thread shows a pistol (or pistols) with the slide tidily broken in two across the ejection port, but no appreciable damage to the barrel.

Shooting overpressure ammo normally results in barrel and specifically chamber damage. This may simultaneously damage the slide, but it normally bulges outward rather than breaking in half so neatly. I've seen a BHP with a slide that broke due to an overpressure round; the barrel had ruptured from the breech to about 1" forward, and the sides of the slide had been noticeably pushed out laterally before they failed.

I believe that the problem is that the Caracal slide is too weak to withstand repeated battering against whatever part limits its rearward travel. IOW I don't think the slide is breaking the moment the round fires; I believe it's breaking as it cycles back.
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Old November 4, 2013, 05:42 PM   #37
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These look a lot like Steyr M pistols. I recall reading a debate about whether the unblocked, cocked striker system on a flexible framed polymer pistol had led to some ADs, and now Caracal has some, too.

Maybe the decision the refund came from the realization that replacement slides weren't going to 100% address the mechanical safety problems.
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Old November 6, 2013, 10:53 PM   #38
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...whether the unblocked, cocked striker system...
The Caracal system uses neither an unblocked striker nor a cocked striker.
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Old November 7, 2013, 02:56 AM   #39
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The XDs, and now this.

Exactly why I'm not a beta tester.
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Old December 1, 2013, 09:51 PM   #40
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Old December 4, 2013, 01:38 AM   #41
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you cant say they wont get though this, just look at sccy, they didnt have a (no fix) situation, but nearly everyone who had a 1st gen had it in the shop half a dozen tines

i hope its not the end anyway
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Old December 8, 2013, 12:38 PM   #42
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At one time I was highly interested in getting a Caracal. It looked to have a lot of potential.
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