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Old September 8, 2013, 07:55 PM   #1
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One's got to wonder: Why no single stack Glock 9mm?

Have they missed the boat? I'm really digging the offering from Bersa, and I think that is what I've decided will be my next gun. (Bersa BP9CC)

But after looking over all the options, and examining quite a few of these things at stores, shows, and ranges, I can't help but feel, "Where's the single stack Glock 9mm?" Because the BP9CC is like taking a Glock, and making it cousin to the P9/CW9... Unless you feel the BP9CC is just a flat out rip off of the P9/CW9?

I feel that keltec, sig, taurus, smith, and the others have somewhat of their own things going on.. at least in terms of look.. if not look and features.

I could see a single stack Glock selling really well in the marketplace. What's the inside scoop? How come they haven't got one?
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Old September 8, 2013, 07:59 PM   #2
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Well, it's a 45 but, the 36 is a single stack.
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Old September 8, 2013, 08:00 PM   #3
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true, I should said 9mm... Ill edit the thread title
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Old September 8, 2013, 08:11 PM   #4
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"BECAUSE WE ARE HECKLER AND KOCH, SILLY CIVILIAN! NAVY SEALS DO NOT LIKE THIS 'SINGLE STACK' 9MM, YOU SILLY CHILD! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

woops. wrong brand.

Maybe a similar sentiment? I suppose it's possible that they are happy catering to their current market, where they have tremendous overlap with the LE, military, and civilian markets all buying out of the same basic product pool. Their build schedules typically have them cranking out firearms that are in use by all 3 markets.
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Old September 8, 2013, 08:12 PM   #5
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The BP9 is more of a PPS knockoff isn't it? Thats what I thought anyway given BERSA's history of using Walther designs. Been interested in getting a BP9 myself but money is going other places right now.
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Old September 8, 2013, 08:20 PM   #6
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The BP9 is more of a PPS knockoff isn't it?
Indeed, sir.

Edited to add:
The Walther PPS was designed by Wilhelm Bubits, after he left the Glock engineering team. After designing the PPS for Walther, he went on to design the Steyr M and C series pistols, and subsequently the Caracal F, C, and SC pistols. While I'm a happy Glock owner, it could be said that the evolution of Glock has been seen in Bubits' other work, which have been designes based on the same principles (reliability through simplicity, emphasis on trigger reset, toolless takedown, and high grip/low bore axis for aid in recoil management).
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Old September 8, 2013, 08:40 PM   #7
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The BP9CC is PPS inspired... No, I was not aware.

Thanks, very interesting...

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Been interested in getting a BP9 myself but money is going other places right now.
LOL, I've been interested in getting a new gun fer a while.. seems like new gun designs and products are appearing faster than extra cash.... ergo, "I hear ya."
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Old September 8, 2013, 09:43 PM   #8
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The slide would still be the same thickness. There is no need for a single stack, when a double fits in the same space.
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Old September 8, 2013, 10:24 PM   #9
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The barrel would be the same diameter, but I am not sure if the slide is the same area.. IMHO, the single stacks seem to have an overall thinner profile.

Perhaps I am incorrect?
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Old September 8, 2013, 10:56 PM   #10
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One's got to wonder: Why no single stack Glock 9mm?

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The barrel would be the same diameter, but I am not sure if the slide is the same area.. IMHO, the single stacks seem to have an overall thinner profile.

Perhaps I am incorrect?
Typically this is the case. I think what he was getting at is it would basically be a ground up design with different envelope dimensions on nearly every component. The amount of effort Glock would have to put into it would be immense. And for what? Their current guns sell Very well and this new single stack gun would be more "niche" than anything they currently make. Which equates to a lower potential market for a lot of effort. Glock being Glock I cant help but think they've probably run the numbers and found it to be a fiscally irresponsible endeavor which is why we haven't seen it.

I'm 6'0 135 lbs and can conceal a G19 with ease and comfort. To me really no need to go single stack and limit capacity for no reason.

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Old September 8, 2013, 11:16 PM   #11
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The Bersa BP9 is the best single stack 9mm (or 40mm) on the market.
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Old September 8, 2013, 11:39 PM   #12
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The amount of effort Glock would have to put into it would be immense. And for what? Their current guns sell Very well and this new single stack gun would be more "niche" than anything thy currently make. Which equates to a lower potential market for a lot of effort. Glock being Glock i cant help but think they've probably run the numbers and found it to be a fiscally irresponsible endeavor which is why we haven't seen it.
This is basically what a Glock rep told me when I asked him this same question. They already sell everything they make as fast as they can make it. They have a majority of the LE market and a huge share of the civilian market. A completely new design would cost Glock a lot of money and slow down the production of all their other models.
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Old September 9, 2013, 12:02 AM   #13
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Wouldn't they have to redesign the frame and the magazine? And would it sell?
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Old September 9, 2013, 12:03 AM   #14
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The Bersa BP9 is the best single stack 9mm (or 40mm) on the market.
The Bersa has two features not exactly thrilling: Key/lock safety, mag disconnect safety...

Its those two features that detract from the Bersa and give quite a few points to Kahr...


IMHO

Edit = but there may be other ways in which the Bersa beats the Kahr. What do you think?
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Old September 9, 2013, 05:12 AM   #15
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Glock's thing is massive police and military contracts. They also just so happen to sell some pistols to the American public on the side.

When a military commissions Glock for such a pistol, maybe then.
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Old September 9, 2013, 05:28 AM   #16
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They can do it

The small, single stack easily concealable 9 is a hot item now. Glock knows it and does not want to lose ANY market share if they are smart. They have a similar single stack .45 in the 36. They could easily trim it down to a 9 or .40 and they probably have done it already as a prototype.

There is a huge market for it and I think they will do it eventually despite the "official" Glock position.

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Old September 9, 2013, 07:07 AM   #17
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Just get a Walther PPS and be done with it.

I am carrying a .40 PPS in a pocket holster right now.
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Old September 9, 2013, 08:13 AM   #18
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Poor management from Glock on this IMO. I really wanted a 26 but after carrying a Shield for a day my mind was made up and I went with the Shield. I can carry my FS XD9 with ease IWB but the .90" wide Shield (XDs, Nano, LC9 etc) carry more comfortably by far with the 7 +1 magazine. Maybe Glock thinks the slim pistols are a fad but for me they are a revelation.
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Old September 9, 2013, 08:31 AM   #19
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What would be the point of a single stack Glock 17? Less capacity and for what? I have medium sized hands and the Glock 17 feels ok to me. If it was smaller, it would feel too small.
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Old September 9, 2013, 09:26 AM   #20
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Just get a Walther PPS and be done with it.
This. ^

If Glock made a single-stack 9mm or .40S&W, chances are it would not be as nice of a pistol as the PPS anyway.
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Old September 9, 2013, 09:31 AM   #21
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Evaluating their business is why

In any other business the principles are exactly the same. What do we do well? Once you have the answer to that question you do it until it is played out. The current Glock models sell so fast there is no need for them to change. They are killing it in the .mil and LE area and the general public is buying as much of their current product line as gets to the shelves.

I have had 3 single stack 9mm pistols. A ruger LC9 that went back 3 times before it coudl achieve reliability and it never did. A Beretta nano that would only run on +p defensive ammo (fine for carry but could not train with it because of ammo cost). Finally I just got rid of an XDS with a recall and unreal wait times.

I just went back to the G26 Gen 4 because every Glock I own runs like a well oiled machine. I can conceal it just as well and it is only a little more uncomfortable. I can deal with a bit more width to get reliability.

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Old September 9, 2013, 09:41 AM   #22
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Everyone wants one, but Gaston says we don't need one. Who wins that argumenet?

Although judging by the G36, I think if they ever did make a single-stack 9mm, it wouldn't be a whole ton thinner than the G26.
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Old September 9, 2013, 12:51 PM   #23
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I think that the Walther PPS, S&W Shield, XDs 9, Beretta Nano, and Sig P938 pretty much have this niche covered, but another one wouldn't hurt
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Old September 9, 2013, 01:07 PM   #24
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There have been many over the years that have voiced their opine that they would buy a Glock if Glock would come out with an external safety model...been years and that has never happened either.

Good luck with a single stack model.
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Old September 9, 2013, 02:33 PM   #25
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Well it depends on what your perspective is, If you look at this grid to me the blaring omission is where is the .45 ACP competition model?



To me it looks like Gaston has quite a few product holes to plug.
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