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Old August 25, 2013, 07:33 AM   #1
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Received from Gunbroker

Not sure why I bought this except it went for under fifty bucks.

This is an Iver Johnson First Model Safety Automatic in .32. Bicycle Revolver. (Not sure if it called that because it is small ad flexible enough to be carried and fired while also riding a bike, or because it was made by the Iver Johnson Firearm and Cycle Works.)

It was made sometime in 1894 or 5.

It is not shootable and prolly never will be. I just put a bid of 45.00 on it and no one else wanted it. (I reckon that is because 45.00 is more than it is worth.)

The action works after a fashion. First trigger pull causes the cylinder to rotate, the hammer operates properly. But the trigger does not return sufficiently to reset the hammer, so the second trigger pull fails to operate the revolver. Single action mode works fine.

Cylinder does not lock up.

I freed it up with B Blaster but the operation did not improve to any great extent.

Extractor mechanism seems fine.

This will be a good conversation piece.




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Old August 25, 2013, 03:09 PM   #2
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Are the grips gutta percha?
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Old August 25, 2013, 03:56 PM   #3
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Either that or hard rubber. Looks like you gave about what it was worth, maybe a little more when you add shipping.
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Old August 25, 2013, 04:03 PM   #4
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Doc,
That might take a black powder cartridge. I have one similar to that. The guy who owned it was a conductor on the railroad. It was his issued sidearm.
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Old August 25, 2013, 04:06 PM   #5
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It does take a bp cartridge.
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Old August 25, 2013, 09:37 PM   #6
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"Bicycle Revolver" was a common term used by arms manufacturers back in the 1890s, early 1900s for a type of small revolver designed for protection while riding a bicycle.
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Old August 25, 2013, 11:18 PM   #7
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Think it is hard rubber

Agree Hawg. Although I did not know its real value when I made my bid, I am not shocked that I over-paid. Wasn't really looking for a deal on this revolver.

Just something to add to the accumulation. I have an Iver Johnson .32 solid frame with a drop out cylinder which belonged to my Aunt. It was her bar gun. Also a clone of a small swing out Smith and Wesson made in Asia during the war and brought back by my father. Neither of them is safe to shoot and now I have a third wall hanger.

I am thinking I should try to accumulate enough to make a case for them. Three certainly is too few.
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Old August 26, 2013, 08:16 AM   #8
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"Bicycle Revolver" was a common term used by arms manufacturers back in the 1890s, early 1900s for a type of small revolver designed for protection while riding a bicycle.


Isn't that because they also made bicycles? Or am i thinking of a different company....
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Old August 26, 2013, 09:13 AM   #9
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Isn't that because they also made bicycles? Or am i thinking of a different company....
Iver Johnson did make bicycles too, but other arms makers also called their small, generally .32 cal revolvers, "Bicycle Revolvers."
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Old August 26, 2013, 11:25 AM   #10
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that one is pretty rough... but would look cool in a shadow box...

I have several... I've always been fascinated with this time period... so many advances, in mechanicals, pocket watches, with the insides all engraved, & fire arms...

my understanding, is that the "bicycle" guns were actually snubbies ( I have several from most of the period manufacturers ( my infatuation with snubbies, & guns of this period ran rampant with the cheap current cost to buy )

here's a very un-politically correct period add...



here's a Hopkins & Allen DAO



here's a DAO Iver Johnson with a trigger safety ala Glock

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Old August 26, 2013, 01:09 PM   #11
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So love the looks of the turn of the century cheap/affordable pocket guns..

Doc Per overpaying????.. heck you can not get a neat toy gun got that price anymore.. and this one has a nice look

And Magnum , Many thanks for that ad.. I can never get tired of seeing that thing.. Even I can not believe that a gun maker would promote a ad with a child holding gun in bed like that. I realize it safe from an accidental discharge.. But it still has the trigger..
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Old August 26, 2013, 03:45 PM   #12
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As regards paying too much....

My spouse wants to go to the movies. We'll prolly spend nine bucks for a coupla ounces of stale popcorn and two table spoons of fake butter.

I pay an awful lot of money in the form of taxes. I don't perceive that I get consistent value for my money there.

Fifty bucks here or there is peanuts. Wasn't the first time I bought something I didn't need for an amount that was too much. Won't be the last if I can find another one like it.

I like the look of that hammerless, MWM.
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Old August 26, 2013, 03:58 PM   #13
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thanks...

I'm sure you've seen my wall rack pictures before... I have about 36 or so 22-44 guns from this era... most are top breaks... of the solid frames I collected so far, all have loading gates ( I just don't like the looks of an un gated loading port ) some of mine, may have even been unfired, prior to my use...but most are heavily used... I'm a huge fan of the Hopkins & allen Safety police of this era & was able to get a factory engraved model pretty early in my collecting...




some of my favorites are the single action spur trigger S&W's of the era... I have this one, shortened barrel long, long before I bought it... the re-nickeled barrel looks finish correct, somewhere around 75 ish years ago... of course S&W purists poo poo the modified gun, but the work was 1st rate, & long enough ago, that to me, it's a very early custom...



I have a 38 S&W similar to this, that I found a vintage pair of mother of pearl grips with S&W gold colored medallions, that is mechanically perfect, but ugly cosmetically... it's going to get a master high polish blue to go with those pearl grips...

BTW... nearly everyone of these were purchased off of Gun Broker...
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Old August 26, 2013, 08:27 PM   #14
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I have a couple of IVER JOHNSON top breaks. One in much worse shape that yours and one that looks almost new. It's a safety hammerless. The flash makes it look different than it does in person.



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Old August 27, 2013, 11:51 AM   #15
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Here's my 2 (again). Magnum Wheel Man, my S&W barrel shortening is about 3 years old and done by moi. Mechanically it's perfect but the exterior sucks, didn't think I'd kill the value much
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Old August 27, 2013, 01:07 PM   #16
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... what can I say... I'm a snubbie guy... love the S&W...

BTW... the Iver looks to have a rarer longer barrel... I wouldn't chop that one
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Old August 27, 2013, 02:25 PM   #17
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Good chance for an education, Doc.
Wolff sells generic topbreak revolver springs for cutting and fitting.
You could probably get it running.
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Old August 27, 2013, 02:44 PM   #18
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Right Jim but....

...In order to get it apart I need to drive the drift pins out.

I am afraid I will bung them up so bad the pistol won't go back together.

What is the real story on taking them out?
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Old August 27, 2013, 08:01 PM   #19
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Beats me.
JB Wood has a book of revolver disassembly that includes IJ.
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Old August 27, 2013, 08:47 PM   #20
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Doc,

I found this:

http://www.hlebooks.com/ebook/iveren.htm

Looks like it might be what you need.

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Old August 28, 2013, 03:47 AM   #21
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Yep....

Thanks TK.

I'll give it a try.
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Old August 28, 2013, 06:19 PM   #22
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OMG

ive been looking for one of those I have one that's been converted to a single shot 22 buy my grandfather! Ive been wanting one so I can put the 2 side by side\
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Old August 28, 2013, 06:28 PM   #23
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im sorry I have a Hopkins and allens safety police converted to .22 single shot not an that gun......looks a lot alike
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Old August 29, 2013, 02:32 AM   #24
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Careful with the eBook link...

I think it is a good eBook but the software to download it opens your computer to a lot of additional routines that could wind up being pretty annoying.

I tried numerous times to get into the book without having to download the requisite software unsuccessfully.

Know what you are doing before carrying out the download.
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Old August 29, 2013, 07:34 PM   #25
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Doc.

I hate that as it looks like it might b useful. I should have posted this link in place of the other...

http://www.hlebooks.com/ebook/iveren.htm

I downloaded the zip file and went through the password steps. I was able to access the eBook with no additional software.


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