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Old August 25, 2013, 09:40 PM   #26
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Col Whelen also wrote an article, .270, .30-06, is there something just a little bit better? His answer was yes, the .280. But you have to be pretty serious and meticulous to tell.

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the 270 (.277 caliber and no, like 38 special it makes not sense as the name does not match the real caliber).
Actually, RC, it does make sense. .270 is the caliber, the bore diameter of the barrel. .277" is the groove/bullet diameter
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Old August 26, 2013, 03:57 AM   #27
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The humble 22LR is the most popular cartridge in the world. It like all other cartridges has its place in the hunter's arsenal. If I were limited to four guns in my gun safe (that'll be the day ) the would be as follows:

.22LR bolt action; 5.56/.223 AR15, .308 Winchester in bolt action and a 12 GA pump shotgun. Your first rifle should be a well made .22LR. It's the gun most every shooter learned with and still owns to this day. It has fed many a family with small game for generations. JMHO

With those four long guns you can cover small game, self defense/tactical, medium to large game and birds,rabbits and other good to eat critters. Don't get lost in the technicalities of firearms. Determine your use for a weapon, or weapons, join a local gun club and learn all you can from seasoned shooters that are more than glad to share their knowledge and experience. In the end it's all going to depend on your needs and how deep your pockets are.

Some guys have two, or three guns while others own 50+. The latter are either single, or have an extremely understanding spouse. Good Luck and happy shooting.
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Old August 26, 2013, 06:48 AM   #28
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I highly recommend you read this book by Jack O'Connor. You will get strait practical information on every question you will ever want to know. You will never get this amount of info on the Internet. There is too much biased misinformation floating around. Its a easy read and when you are done, you will know more than most.

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Old August 26, 2013, 01:49 PM   #29
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Damn right it was...

...epic!

Thank you to all of you! All of these posts were pretty helpful, and I just ordered two books for homework!

I will definitely put in my due diligence! I will say that I enjoy hearing the biased perspectives as well. I want to hear how/why people form these biases, and I love a good argument! (As long as it's constructive and objective)

Thanks again!
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Old August 27, 2013, 11:17 PM   #30
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Exit Wound...

Another good book - and you might already have it (or one) - is a basic loading manual.

Typically a load manual will discuss briefly the rifle rounds therein, telling a bit of their background, the actual bullet diameter and so forth. The loading data will give you the range of bullet weights and velocities.

Perhaps not all the answers, but many.
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Old August 28, 2013, 08:23 AM   #31
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one thing I might point out about the load manual, it only tells you how to reload cartridges that can be reloaded. rimfires can not be reloaded so 22LR is not located in reloading manuals.
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Old August 28, 2013, 10:32 AM   #32
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As we all debate how many angels can dance upon the head of a pin .......here's some advice to the OP:

Get a .22lr rifle and master the fundamentals.

Attend an Appleseed event, for inexpensive instruction.

Decide on a centerfire rifle to fit [y]our needs ...... don't overthink it, but try to pick something that will be easy to feed.

Save your brass and learn to handload (it will not save you a bunch of money, but you will shoot a lot more and you will learn a lot in the process!)
This. Couldn't have said it better myself.

And another excellent and educational book is The Rifles, the Cartridges, and the Game, by Clay Harvey. Out of print, but used copies are not too hard to come by.
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Old September 2, 2013, 01:43 AM   #33
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exit_wound

I didn't read every post in this series, but from my experience, reloading will
also help you appreciate the versatility of an individual cartridge.

example;

280 Remington 130 grn .284 bullets @ 3000 fps; good for varmints, predators, and antelope

280 Remington 140-150 grn .284 bullets @ 2900-2800 fps; good for Blacktail, Whitetail, Mule deer, Billy Goats, Bighorn sheep, Black bear,& Hogs etc ...

280 Remington 160-175 grn .284 bullets @ 2700-2600 fps; good for Caribou, Elk, Moose and possibly the Big Bears, Griz & Kodiak (in the hands of an expert)


that was just one cartridge ! , now let your imagination run wild with 30-06 or .308 or 8mm Mauser etc... there are a ton of great cartridges out there that are so much more versatile once you get past the factory loadings and start playing around with them. Good Luck !! and have fun !
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Old September 2, 2013, 02:30 AM   #34
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AR-15s are popular because many shooters in this country like to have the same firearms they trained on in Uncle Sam's service and the AR-15 is designed for modern low cost rapid manufacture.
interesting...
while I was serving uncle sam I wasn't restricted to semi auto and my M16 didn't have a nice badger ordnance handguard, RRA 2 stage trigger and hogue pistol grip. the controls may be the same as the M16/4 but they are not the same thing and nobody would claim that they are unless their last name is holder, fienstien or clinton.
C'mon, you know what he meant. Sure, the AR-15 is not the same as the M4/M16, but they're almost the same. The only difference is an inch-and-a-half of barrel and the option to go burst (or full-auto) with the M4, and with the M16 the only difference is burst.

They're similar enough that people trained on the former in the military often end up buying the latter in the civilian world due to familiarity. That's the exact reason I bought my first AR-15.
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