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Old August 22, 2013, 09:46 AM   #1
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Is the 45-70 popular or rare

Is the 45-70 undergoing a new resurgence in popularity or is it so uncommon that components are produced only periodically? Midway and several others are out of brass (though I did find some at Cabelas) and a Honady modified case is on back order.
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Old August 22, 2013, 09:58 AM   #2
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It is having to find its place in the production schedule among more modern calibers that are in tremendous demand under The Panic.
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Old August 22, 2013, 10:18 AM   #3
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FWIW, the .45-70's been undergoing a resurgence in popularity since the early 1970's, when Marlin & H&R started making .45-70's to meet the new demand. (The H&R Trapdoor's & the Marlin 336-based M-1895)

As posted, just like most ammo and/or components today, supplies are short.


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Old August 22, 2013, 10:32 AM   #4
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45-70 has been hanging all by it's self on the rack at Cabela's in Springfield OR. for months. They get brass in all the time, but the other stuff just flies off the shelf.


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Old August 22, 2013, 11:09 AM   #5
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45/70 is pretty popular, about as popular as any other lever action cartridge.
it's quite a versatile round.
you want to drop a buffalo? there's a 450gr bullet for that.

you want to kill a grouse? there's bird shot for that

you want to make an awesome varmint cartridge? there's a round ball for that

and if you just want to mess around there's a birdshot behind round ball load that is really fun(see state hunting regs before use).
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Old August 22, 2013, 12:49 PM   #6
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VERY popular in Mississippi where a single shot break-open rifle with external hammer .35 caliber or greater is counted as a "primitive weapon".
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Old August 22, 2013, 02:19 PM   #7
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I think the cowboy craze that started 20 years ago reignited interest in the old calibers. Many 45-70 guns are being made. I have two myself so they must be pretty popular.

This one kicks the bejeebers out of me due to ligh5t weight.




This one is more pleasant and will shoot cloverleafs at 50 yards with any bullet from 250 grain lead for the 45 Colt to 500 gran round nose.

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Old August 22, 2013, 02:26 PM   #8
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The 45-70 is without a doubt the most popular caliber with the BPCR folks. I have one myself in a Browning BPCR 1885 High Wall...superb caliber and a zillion moulds if you cast your own, which is the only way to go. Backed up by about 60-65 gr of 2F powder and a 500 gr lead bullet and you can hunt anything that walks this continent and is superbly accurate.

Brass is easy to find. Try finding 32-40 or 40-70 Sharps Straight brass. Now, that's hard.

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This one kicks the bejeebers out of me due to ligh5t weight.
That skinny, steel crescent shape butt plate is murder.
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Old August 22, 2013, 03:34 PM   #9
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I certainly like my Ruger No. 1 in .45/70. Seems to be most popular .40 caliber round in the No. 1 series.

Excellent brush round.
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Old August 22, 2013, 04:13 PM   #10
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45/70 rifles

I like both of mine.....regardless on how popular it is !
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Old August 22, 2013, 04:21 PM   #11
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i had a thompson center contender--12 in pistol and 16 in rifle. loved the round--cake to reload and cheap if you cast your own. sold the t/c--no place to shoot. if i were to do it again--i'd do a ruger #1 for beauty or an h&r for practical. with this round--a hit in the vitals=dinner.
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Old August 22, 2013, 07:04 PM   #12
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Those looking for brass may try here. It doesn't say temporarily out of stock or back ordered.

http://www.huntingtons.com/store/pro...cat=276&page=2
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Old August 22, 2013, 11:01 PM   #13
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SaxonPig, that is a very nice looking Martini. 45-70 is one of my most favorite rounds to shoot but I haven't had to buy any brass in a long time. It used to be fairly inexpensive but not any more.
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Old August 22, 2013, 11:14 PM   #14
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While the 45-70 has been obsolete for over a century it interests some.

I view it as "High kick, low hit" and avoid it.

I did have an old 86 for a short while that would fire 45-70's.

Nice rifle as machinery.
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Old August 23, 2013, 12:07 AM   #15
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45-70 is still very popular in Alaska. The modern magnum rifle cartridges will reach further on big meat, but if a bruin comes in while you are field dressing your freezer meat, a 45-70 lever is a real nice thing to have nearby.
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Old August 23, 2013, 04:47 AM   #16
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I'm beginning to take a liking to the 45-70. I haven't hunted with my 1886 Browning, but I do enjoy shooting it from time to time.
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Old August 23, 2013, 08:51 AM   #17
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This one scares the bejeebers out of you, even before you shoot it.

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I used to hate shooting the thing as a kid when my dad had it. He didnt reload, and heavy factory loads were brutal. It came my way about a year or so back, and I was going to get rid of it, due to those painful memories. I got to looking online for "light" loads, and found Trail Boss and a 300 grain hard cast bullet make a great combo, and changes the guns demeanor completely. Now its a FUN puddy cat.

Once I got to shooting the #3 a lot more, it didnt take long before a Marlin Guide Gun was on the way. Both are fun, and accurate.

I havent had any troubles getting brass or bullets for them for reloading. Trail Boss also has been readily available through the "crunch" as well.
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Old August 23, 2013, 11:25 AM   #18
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I had a Remington rolling Block carbine back in the early 70's by Navy Arms with a brass crescent shaped butt plate. Weighing around 6-7 pounds at best with that short barrel it was murder on your shoulder with black or smokeless powder. However...fast forward to 2013...this one is much better at 11 pounds and will knock the knee caps off a fly at 100 yards.

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Old August 23, 2013, 12:01 PM   #19
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Yes, as previously mentioned the 45-70 is one of my favorite rounds to shoot. Here is a photo of my most recent 45-70 rifle. I have two other rifles in 45-70 and one in 40-70 BN, but this is the newest one. If I do my part it will cloverleaf holes at 100 yds.

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Old August 23, 2013, 01:35 PM   #20
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Is the 45-70 popular or rare

My Marlin 1895 SS Guide Gun is flat-out amazing! My take is that it doesn't "kick" so much as give you a stiff shove, not unlike a strong 12 gauge. At our family reunion "fun shoot" last week I enjoyed seeing the kid's eyes pop as I pulled out the ammo and started thumbing cartridges into it. ALL of them were fascinated at a gun that took that big of a bullet and I let as many 12-and-olders that wanted to give it a go a crack at it. Sure it cost me a few bucks to let 20 family members fire off a round or two, but it was worth it to see the smiles on their faces! I only wish I would have had a cart full of watermelons for targets.
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Old August 23, 2013, 02:03 PM   #21
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That's what shooting is all about...fun. You should have video taped that. It would have been a memorable moment for them when they get a little older.

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Old August 23, 2013, 04:39 PM   #22
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The 45-70 is quite popular among a very small group of shooters. I owned at least 1, and as many as 3 Marlins total, from 1976 up until few years ago. I've never personally met another person who owned one. I rarely used any of them and sold my last one about 2 years ago when I was able to double my money on it.

An interesting round, but highly over rated on the internet. It was developed as a military round for killing Indians and had a quite short life for that. It was used by quite a few hunters from the 1870's up until about 1890 simply because they were available. It was always considered under powered for larger game in the west. Serious buffalo hunters prefered much more powerful rounds. But it is the only round of its era that survives in common factroy loads and many today mistakenly believe it was a popular and common big bore buffalo round.

By the 1890's it was basically dead and it lay dormant for about 80 years until Marlin brought it back to life in the 1970's. Modern loadings improve power quite a bit, but at a huge price in recoil. The hotter loads from light weight Marlins have recoil numbers in the 50 ft lb range. More than typical 375 mag loads.
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Old August 23, 2013, 08:22 PM   #23
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A very small group of shooters? If you call the tens of thousands of Cowboy Action Shooters and all the BPCR shooters a small group. The 45-70 is the most popular BP cartridge in existence today and wins matches and various competitions throughout the country. There is more brass available and more moulds in production for it than most any other. It's about as popular as it gets and has probably dropped more buffalo not only in the 1870's but recently, than most any other cartridge. A grand old cartridge that still survives and is in wide use today as it was in old Sharps and Rolling Block rifles.

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Old August 24, 2013, 02:49 AM   #24
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Pretty much if you dont have a 45-70 you are not a gun person no mater how many nagets and mossburgs you have,
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Old August 25, 2013, 04:53 AM   #25
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the 45-70 is very popular in my region, not as popular as 308, 223, and 9mm though. But in comparison to those 3, no cartridge is very popular...

45-70gov wont disappear any time soon, so many big manufaturers chambering rifles for it and most ammo brands making 45-70 ammo.
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