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Old August 25, 2013, 11:19 PM   #26
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Makes way more sense to just buy one already made!

That 99F is a heck of a woods rifle!

Ruger made .358's.

Just buy one!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=362055756

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=360915687

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=360989018 This one is a 99!


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Old August 26, 2013, 11:35 AM   #27
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Just buy one!
Then what would he do with a M600 with a bad chamber? He has to re-barrel anyway, doesn't cost any more money to go with a .358 barrel instead of a .308.
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Old August 26, 2013, 02:52 PM   #28
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The 600 is as cheap a gun as could be made. It lacks all of the features that a true rifle aficionado should want such as:

A. A good finish.
B. Control round feeding.
C. Three position wing safety such as what the M70 and Kimbers have.
D. A sturdy reliable extractor.
E. Bolt handle that does not break or fall off.
etc.

Take that rifle to the nearest gunsmith and tell him you want to sell it to him.

Tell the gunsmith whats wrong with the rifle and get a receipt for it with it's description and serial number on the receipt.
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Old August 26, 2013, 03:38 PM   #29
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I happen to own a Remington 660, which is much the same rifle as the 600 with minor differences. I also own a number of very fine rifles and I guess I should start just shooting the others and sell the 660 to the first dimwit that will give me something for it.
I think if I were to take to the woods with the 660, I should expect the finish to fall off or become very unattractive. I should expect it to misfeed at a bad moment, after I fumbled for the safety that wasn't a 3 position wing model. I guess it wouldn't matter much if the extractor broke off, since the bolt handle would have fallen off at that point anyway.
Maybe that is what I deserve as I didn't have any more sense than buying the cheapest rifle made.
In reality, I think you should take your rifle to be rebarreled into the .358 and any capable gunsmith would welcome the work.
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Old August 26, 2013, 08:12 PM   #30
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The 600 is as cheap a gun as could be made. It lacks all of the features that a true rifle aficionado should want such as:
Sorry dude...I don't go along with this thinking.... U priced 600's or 660's lately? I guess someone must like em..cause they don't give em away....
My son has a 600 in 243....It is super accurate....He killed his first buck with it....There is an article in TTHA magazine bout it....They are good lil guns....
The idea of this gun project..I think..is really cool....
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Old August 26, 2013, 08:24 PM   #31
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Savage99, according to your logic, most of the affordable rifles manufactured today are junk worthy of the trash bin.
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Old August 26, 2013, 10:59 PM   #32
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The topic, as I read it, is about spending more money on an entry level item.

My suggestion was to buy a gun already so chambered that's also higher quality.

Then I posted on the previous page pictures of quality guns.

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Old August 26, 2013, 11:31 PM   #33
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A. A good finish.
B. Control round feeding.
C. Three position wing safety such as what the M70 and Kimbers have.
D. A sturdy reliable extractor.
E. Bolt handle that does not break or fall off.
So the only thing his M600 is lacking is CRF, most people feel that a Sako's are a fine rifle and it's a push feed. You can improve the finish, use a Sako extractor, and weld a different bolt handle on or buy a one piece bolt from PT&G. You can even add a three position safety to the bolt shroud as well and none but one of the rifles you pictured even have a wing safety you proclaim makes a fine hunting rifle.

I'm pretty sure that the bolt heads on the M700 isn't welded on either. It just doesn't make sense from a manufacturing standpoint to weld that piece on. It would be easier and cheaper to machine the bolt and locking lugs as one piece. However it is cheaper to machine the bolt handle separate and weld it in place. I'm sure that ring is just a transition between the more polished bolt body vs. the bolt head.

As far as it being an entry level rifle, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. There are far cheaper entry level rifles a person can buy new than a used M600 Remington. Besides that there are far more people buying and successfully hunting and shooting a M700 than any of the rifles you pictured every year with great success and not needing a single thing you mentioned to get the job done.

Besides the OP is talking about spending far less money to rebarrel than you're talking about spending on a "fine rifle". Even with trading/selling his M600 he can still probably put a barrel on cheaper. He even stated that he needed to stay within a budget if you had read further down in the posts.
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Old August 27, 2013, 02:12 AM   #34
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The 600 is as cheap a gun as could be made.
Remington proved this to be untrue with the 710 / 770.

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It lacks all of the features that a true rifle aficionado should want such as:

A. A good finish.
B. Control round feeding.
C. Three position wing safety such as what the M70 and Kimbers have.
D. A sturdy reliable extractor.
E. Bolt handle that does not break or fall off.
etc.
Nothing wrong with the finish on a 600, the other "issues" are the same on the entire 700 series. I would prefer a CRF rifle, but it's not required.
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Old August 27, 2013, 05:12 AM   #35
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I get excited about certain gun builds...As I said before about this one...My son's gun gets .5 to 3/4 inch MOA..so it is no slouch in the accuracy dept....
Another thing..it is a short..light rifle....Perfect for trecking through mountain timber and such....Troy Knapp..the notorious Utah mountain man theif..etc. carried one....He was on the run for years in the Utah wilderness....
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Old August 27, 2013, 09:41 AM   #36
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taylorforce,

The Brno 22F at the top of the picture has a safety that controls the firing pin. Look closer with a magnifying glass. Sorry the picture is not better.

So have the Steyr Daimlers. Go to a store that has them and you might see.

Control round feeding (CRF) with bolt action rifles is desirable to prevent double feeding which may jam the rifle. Of course some shoot bolt rifles without CRF. This post is to try to educate them on what a fine rifle is. Not to sell them cheap stuff.

Your friend should send the rifle back to Remington for warranty repair.

Sako's are considered a well made rifle. Recently Sako has added some reference to CRF.
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Old August 27, 2013, 10:04 AM   #37
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600's are getting pretty collectable... I recently got $450.00 for a 6mm Remington - 600... I personally don't like plastic parts on my rifles, so I never warmed up to it, but it was a very handy rifle...
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Old August 27, 2013, 12:21 PM   #38
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Collectable?

Some folks collect stamps and get all excited about it.

A 600 collectable?

M600


$368.99

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Old August 27, 2013, 01:49 PM   #39
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Savage99,

I saw the safety on your Brno, I said none "BUT" one of your rifles had the safety you found desirable. I like M70 and Mauser rifles as much as the next guy, but what makes a "fine" rifle is a matter of opinion. CRF rifles aren't even 100% reliable, I have a 1903 custom .35 Whelen that if I put more than 4 rounds in the magazine it will not feed properly and jam. However, the rifle will easily hold 5 rounds in the magazine.

I've had firing pins and springs break, I've heard of extractors failing on CRF rifles. I've heard as well all the issues you've brought up with the M700 as well. To me all that really matters in the end to me, is am I happy with the rifle. If so then I could care less what another person thinks, because to me my rifle is a fine rifle and I don't have to conform to anyone else's opinion.
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Old August 27, 2013, 02:24 PM   #40
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Savage, I really do not care too much about controlled feed. There have been countless reilibilitycomparisons of Mauser vs push feed and most end in a draw. In my personal experience, the only failure I have ever had in a hunting situation was with controlled feed. It was an old type Mauser extractor that would not go over a round in the chamber. Somehow, the round got in front of the extractor coming out of the magazine and the extractor would not close over the round and yielded my rifle inoperative until I figured out what happened and tapped the butt of the stock against the ground a couple of times free the round. The only difference in reliability I have seen noted in studies of the two action types is that working upside down, the Mauser is more reliable than push feed. All other positions are a draw. I honestly can not ever recall doing any shooting hanging upside down with a rifle. I have shot targets in a rapelling tower doing an Aussie window entry, but never with a bolt action rifle. If I ever go hunting and hang from a tree upside down, I will be sure to bring a Mauser.
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Old August 27, 2013, 02:58 PM   #41
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reynolds,

Those that know prefer CRF bolt action rifles.

From Sako:

"Compared to the 75, which has a bolt with a push feed sunken head, the 85 has controlled feed or CRF (Controlled Round Feeding), typical of Mauser actions. The CRF consists of the “capture” by the extractor of the collar of the cartridge case when the round is stripped out of the magazine and it holds it all along the path to the cartridge chamber and, backwards, in the extraction and ejection of the cartridge case.

http://www.all4shooters.com/en/artic...hunting-rifle/
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Old August 27, 2013, 07:08 PM   #42
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savage 99....Are those some plastic butt plates I see on your guns? Given your criteria for "quality guns", wouldn't this be a weak point? Why if a person should happen to crack a butt plate at the wrong time just think of all the problems it could wreak. Perhaps you should look into this oversight.
I am seriously considering throwing my 660 into the first landfill I can locate after dark tonight as I wouldn't want anyone to actually see me in possession of such an inferior product.
Maybe I'll move up to a Savage 99 and make a bench rest gun out of it, as a quality gun such as that must be very accurate, and with just a little tig welding to the bolt I could probably even give it proper headspace.

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Old August 27, 2013, 07:31 PM   #43
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Savage, I guess anyone who shoots Remingtons, Half the Winchesters ever made, Weatherby, Savage, and a long list of others just does "not know."
My 600 actually has pretty wood. The plastic parts are replacable with machined aluminum parts. Of course the custom actions dominate now, but there used to be a lot of 600 based bench rifles.

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Old August 27, 2013, 07:35 PM   #44
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As soon as my money recovers, I am going to build the rifle. I decided against the Shaw barrel partly because of how un-helpful their customer support is and partly because of apples to apples comparison of price. I can get a Shilen for about $100 more. (Can get Shilen through a Smith that will give them to me at cost and do not have a hook up for Shaw.) As soon as my pocket book recovers from rebuilding the steering box on my antique tractor, I will get started.

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Old August 28, 2013, 02:02 AM   #45
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Collectable?

Some folks collect stamps and get all excited about it.

A 600 collectable?

M600


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Sold!
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Old August 28, 2013, 09:40 AM   #46
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Reynolds,

Have you contacted Remington about them fixing it under warranty?

Those are junky looking guns. Look at others such as I mentioned or showed.

From another site on rem. bolt handles falling off:

"Talked to Remington today and they are going to fix the bolt at no cost. Thanks!"

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Old August 28, 2013, 12:16 PM   #47
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Savage, I appreciate the suggestion. I will contact them. I never even thought about warranty covering a firearm that old.
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