****HIPERTOUCH 24 AR-15 Trigger Review****

[Palmetto-Pride]

I installed the HIPERTOUCH 24 AR-15 triggerhttp://www.hiperfire.com/hipertouch24.html in my PSA 20" HBAR and I am very happy with it. You can adjust it between 2-4lbs by using different springs that come with it, I used the 2lb spring and it measured just a little under 2lbs with my trigger pull gauge. I also have a Timney 3lb trigger in one of my other ARs and I like it better over the Timney to me it just feels smoother. The only con I had for it is it had a little more pretravel than I liked, but I fixed that with this http://www.ar15triggeradjusters.com/ and now I have a great trigger with little pretravel.

[Mausermolt]

FINALLY! a review on these triggers! i bought a LPK from Palmetto, that had this trigger in it and i was abit worried because i couldnt find any reviews. sounds like i did ok. i cant wait to get my build started!...just waiting on lowers to come down to sane prices.

[Palmetto-Pride]

FINALLY! a review on these triggers! i bought a LPK from Palmetto, that had this trigger in it and i was abit worried because i couldnt find any reviews. sounds like i did ok. i cant wait to get my build started!...just waiting on lowers to come down to sane prices.

Yea I was a little apprehensive at first also. What really peaked my interest was the ability to change the weight with the three different sets of springs. I asked the guy at PSA if he had any feedback on them and he said he didn't. He made it very clear that if I wasn't happy with it that I could return it. So I figured..... "what the hell have I got to lose just a 100 mile trip from Charleston to Columbia" Anyway I am glad I took the chance because I really like it and I am thinking about selling my Timney trigger and buying another Hipertouch 24.

Also PSA has lowers in stock for $119.95 not to bad.......

[Palmetto-Pride]

I realize this post has had a lot of views and not a lot of responses, but I wanted to update it since I had a chance to shoot it after installing the "AR-15 Trigger Adjuster" that takes out a lot of the "Pretravel" I just got to say WOW what a major improvement this trigger in combination with the trigger adjuster is absolutely amazing. For anyone doing a precision build I would seriously consider this upgrade I didn't think a AR trigger could feel this smooth and crisp. My groups were well under 1 MOA at 100yds My 3lb Timney is up for sale if any one is interested.

[trecon]

I had a chance to shoot it after installing the "AR-15 Trigger Adjuster" that takes out a lot of the "Pretravel" I just got to say WOW what a major improvement this trigger in combination with the trigger adjuster is absolutely amazing.

New to thread, but have been following HIPER... product elsewhere for a few weeks. Visited www.hipertouch.com again and it looks like they changed some spec descriptions since you posted last. Says that 24E has half the creep as the 24. Perhaps you can comment on how much creep you actually took out. Since depending, looks like you may have converted the 24 to a 24E, which has yet to appear even at www.hiperfire.com.

[Palmetto-Pride]

New to thread, but have been following HIPER... product elsewhere for a few weeks. Visited www.hipertouch.com again and it looks like they changed some spec descriptions since you posted last. Says that 24E has half the creep as the 24.

I looked at there products page it looks like the original HIPERTOUCH 24 is the same and they are adding two new triggers the HIPERTOUCH 24E and the HIPERTOUCH 24C you can check out the differences here http://www.hiperfire.com/products/

Perhaps you can comment on how much creep you actually took out.

I would say I took out at least half of the creep of the original 24. If I put it on safety the trigger absolutely will not move at all. I honestly can't see how this trigger could get any better.

[trecon]

I would say I took out at least half of the creep of the original 24. If I put it on safety the trigger absolutely will not move at all. I honestly can't see how this trigger could get any better.

If they come out with the E and C versions of the 24, would you reccomend them? They seem to be enhancements, especially the C with the shoe. Wondering if they could possible improve on what you've done with the "trigger adjuster." Have you contacted them RE the "adjuster." BTW, thanks for post on that, didn't know it existed.

[Palmetto-Pride]

If they come out with the E and C versions of the 24, would you reccomend them?

From what I can tell from there website with the E version they just took out some of the pretravel other than that it looks pretty much identical. Some people like a little more pretravel in there trigger so they are more surprised when the trigger finally breaks. I prefer to choose the amount I take out so for me I would rather have the original that way I can choose the amount I want to take out myself.

The C version looks interesting, but I am not sure I would like the adjustable shoe on the straight trigger.....I would like to see one in person and see what it feels like.

[zukiphile]

I have one of these because I was intrigued by the description. I generally prefer a two-stage trigger because I like to sense the movement of the trigger before the sear breaks. The problem I ran into with target shooting was the temptation to time the shot, which inevitably gave me worse results.

The Hipertouch works like a two-stage trigger with no additional second stage weight.

... now I have a great trigger with little pretravel.

While I am glad you were able to change this to your satisfaction, I believe that taking out the pretravel forfeits the best feature of this trigger.

[Fishbed77]

I'd love to hear someone do do a back-to-back comparison between the Hipertouch and Geissele triggers.

[zukiphile]

Originally Posted by Fishbed77

I'd love to hear someone do do a back-to-back comparison between the Hipertouch and Geissele triggers.

Describing sensations effectively can be difficult, but I could take a shot at it (only the slightest of puns). I had my trigger finger hovering over the "add to cart" button for the least expensive Geissele trigger when I spotted the Hipertouch as part of a lower parts kit.

Every two-stage trigger I have used feels essentially the same -- there is a smooth length of travel against which one feels only a springy resistance, the first stage. Then one meets an additional hard, inflexible resistance which when overcome releases the hammer, the second stage.

The Hipertouch mimics that first stage, though somewhat less smoothly. Whereas in the two-stage trigger, the first stage primarily involves a rotation of a sub assembly of the trigger, with the hypertouch one is actually dragging one surface across another. (EDIT - I just looked at a lower with a two-stage, and note that it also involves two surfaces dragging against one another, but the surface area involved in the dragging is much less than in the Hipertouch) The drag is fairly smooth, and the spring pressure will return the trigger to its original position if one takes his finger off the trigger, but one can sense that there is more than simple spring resistance in the faux first stage. There is no second stage, only a "bang". If I had one complaint about the product it would be that the first and only stage of travel should be longer and, in a perfect world, even smoother.

Will it be as durable as the Geissele? I could not say. Is it better in any general sense? I would say that it certainly is not better if one's routine involves first taking up the travel or slack of the first stage, establishing a satisfactory wobble zone, then squeezing for the second stage release. If you have been shooting that way for the last three decades, you might really hate the hypertouch. Personally, I am getting better groups with this single stage trigger, but I am not an accomplished marksman.

Hipertouch has some video at their website that fairly describes the product.

[Palmetto-Pride]

Like I said in a earlier post some people like longer pre-travel or stage, I prefer shorter pre-travel for me I just shoot better the only other custom trigger I have experience with is the 3lb Timney which is night and day better than a stock AR trigger, but I think the Hipertouch is night and day better than the Timney.

[ddeandeturk]

I have been using one of these triggers for a few months and like it much better than any other ar trigger I have tried. I have used about everything on the market and found the pull weight and reset to be far superior to all my other triggers, plus it has a very clean crisp break with almost zero pre travel that makes it very fast for close hoser style stages. I cant imagine going back to the other triggers I have.

[Usmcret92]

I have been shooting Hyperfire triggers now for months. I have 4 rifles with Hyperfire triggers and I love them. I have been shooting AR's for over 40 years and the Hyperfire is the best trigger I have used. I removed 2 Geissele triggers and replace with Hyperfire and i have also used AR Gold. My opinion is the Hyperfire is a much better system. If you put two rifles side by side one with Geissele and one with Hyperfire you can tell the difference.

The great thing about Hyperfire is the reset. I shoot a lot of 3gun and we have shot targets out to 469 yards. The trigger works great for double taps and works great with the short reset for long range.

The E and C model is now out on the market and I have a C in one of my rifles and love the flat feel. I use flat triggers in my STI's and the feel with the AR is the same. I personally don't use the pad on the C because I like the size of just the trigger.

I think if you try one you will like it.

[zukiphile]

Originally Posted by Palmetto Pride

Like I said in a earlier post some people like longer pre-travel or stage, I prefer shorter pre-travel for me I just shoot better the only other custom trigger I have experience with is the 3lb Timney which is night and day better than a stock AR trigger, but I think the Hipertouch is night and day better than the Timney.

I did not intend to argue the legitimacy of your preference. I once had a very accurate Savage with a fairly light trigger that felt as if it had no pretravel and no over travel. One just applied pressure to the trigger with no seeming movement and at some point the rifle would fire. It was an objectively great rifle that I could not warm up to.


Fishbed77, I do not have any objective disagreement with the gushing praise for this trigger in the posts above. I would only stress my caution that if one's idea of the perfect trigger is a two-stage trigger with some extra poundage to the second stage, then a Hipertouch will be less desirable than a Geissele.

As a matter of my own initial preference, perception and comfort, I would say that the least expensive Geissele or my Del-ton two-stage is better. However, when I measure groups I find a problem in my technique with the two-stage that does not crop up with the Hipertouch.

I do not know whether that caveat is useful to you, but there is.

[gcp]

This is great info, thank you!

Since reading this thread I received and installed my own hipertouch 24 into my Palmetto build. With the 2lb springs mine cleanly break at 2lb 10 oz and even though I too am experiencing a bit more travel than I like I will reserve judgment till I shoot it tomorrow. As stated above I really like the engineering of this trigger and the parts appear to be top notch.

[RNP-SSBN-643]

I have been using a Hiperfire 24E for several months. This trigger has the best reset I have found. This reset is an advantage when shooting multiple long range targets. The trigger it replaced was a good one. This is a better one and will be going in all my ARs.

[gcp]

To add to our trigger discussion, I agree 100% with Palmetto-Pride,after shooting the trigger this past weekend I do like it, it's crisp and at 2lbs 10 oz it's a dream break but I don't like its travel, it feels like a pseudo 2 stage trigger with the "upper pressure" of the hammer movement on top of it. I will try to adjust this travel out per the directions above.

[Palmetto-Pride]

If you are planning using the Trigger Adjuster like I did to get rid of some of the travel all you have to do is take the factory grip screw out and replace it with the Trigger Adjuster grip screw, but make sure the small screw is backed into the bigger grip screw and tighten it the way you would the factory grip screw then what I did was cock the hammer put it on safety and tighten the adjuster screw until I felt resistance from the safety being on (another words when the safety is on, the trigger has zero movement if you were to try and pull it) I did multiple safety checks to make sure the hammer wouldn't accidentally drop.

[gcp]

Thank you for the directions P-P but I do not have a trigger adjuster at hand so I plan to use a 1/4-28 X3/8" Allen set screw and adjust accordingly. May need a washer or two to the grip screw....

How did you get yours to under 2lbs?

[Palmetto-Pride]

How did you get yours to under 2lbs?

I used the 2lb spring that came with the Hyper Fire and it just happened to be just under 2lbs I wasn't trying to make be under 2lbs it just ended up that way. From what I read most people report that it will come in right at or maybe just a little under 2lbs if you use the 2lb springs.

[gcp]

I will start off by saying that I still like the Hipertouch, quite a lot, but its pre-travel I don't care for, at all. Also, I was not able to remove it by adjustment, as a matter of fact it became more gritty with the set screw, if that's even possible. So, I removed the Hipertouch and installed my 3lb 11oz "15 minute mod" trigger, and adjusted it with the set screw to shorten pre-travel. I absolutely love the results so I'm sticking to this solution after all as it breaks cleanly with almost imperceptible pre-travel.

[trecon]

Good discussion getting better. My $.02: I mentioned above:

Says that 24E has half the creep as the 24 ... looks like you may have converted the 24 to a 24E.

And per gcp:

I will start off by saying that I still like the Hipertouch, quite a lot, but its pre-travel I don't care for, at all. Also, I was not able to remove it by adjustment, as a matter of fact it became more gritty with the set screw ...

I plan on getting the 24E when it becomes available. Looks to me like the 24 was designed for those who wanted more "creep." I think the "extra" creep is best for those who go for the lightest weight by way of some safety margin with a longer pull. In any case, looks like the 24E is for those who want "half" the creep. Why change the design intent by work arounds. If I get the 24E, I'll post my feedback here. Also, hiperfire just posted a new vid. The dude seems to be quite impressed with the 24, creep or no, probably just comes down to personal preference.

[zukiphile]

Originally Posted by trecon

I plan on getting the 24E when it becomes available. Looks to me like the 24 was designed for those who wanted more "creep."

I believe their literature and videos are explicit about that. If I remember their phrasing correctly they claim that the smooth pretravel makes the technique of a smooth squeeze and surprise release more easily practiced.

I would caution against anyone using this modest amount of pretravel as a safety margin. Even with that pretravel it is a very light trigger.

[trecon]

I would caution against anyone using this modest amount of pretravel as a safety margin. Even with that pretravel it is a very light trigger.

This is instructive as hipertouch 24 "creep" seems to be coming down to personal preference, or is it perception. Your remark regarding safety is well taken and you're right, they didn't mention it; was only my speculation. Maybe I'll break down and get the 24 since it's available and see for myself. Seems that feedback is positive overall, with limited comparison to other higher end triggers excepting the ALG and Timney mentions at PSA: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.../category/395/