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Old August 13, 2013, 09:40 AM   #1
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Imperial Sizing Wax and petroleum jelly

Hi All,
This morning while doing some neck turning I noticed a little container of Vaseline Petroleum Jelly on my work bench. Upon closer examination I found a remarkable resemblance to Imperial sizing wax. Considering it's available at Walmart for $2 for a 4 oz jar, it's less than 1/5 the price of the sizing wax.

Has anyone used petroleum jelly instead of sizing wax?
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Old August 13, 2013, 10:06 AM   #2
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I know from calculating max torque on screws that wax is much less friction than oil or grease. And oil or grease are much lower friction than dry threads.

So the max torque without snapping off the screw in tension has three levels:
1) Wax, the least max torque.
2) Oil and grease, the medium max torque.
3) Dry threads, the highest max torque.


To make your head spin with a world of lube technology, go to
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/
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Old August 13, 2013, 01:07 PM   #3
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Hi Clark,
Thanks for responding. The link you provided is very interesting but it's a bit like the guy that asks "what time is it?" and the guy tells him how to build a clock. Afterwards the guy still didn't know what time it was.

Your answer implies that the petroleum jelly may be a good substitute. I guess I will have to find out on my own.
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Old August 13, 2013, 01:17 PM   #4
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Your answer implies that the petroleum jelly may be a good substitute. I guess I will have to find out on my own.
When you do, let us know if you have discovered the wonderful world of a stuck case. While you are experimenting, put a little dab of the Petroleum Jelly in a primer to see if it kills it. Lastly, you may as well report back to us what way you discovered as to how to remove the PJ from the cases after sizing. I love it when some guy assumes all the risk of experimenting and I get the benefits.
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Old August 13, 2013, 01:30 PM   #5
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When you do, let us know if you have discovered the wonderful world of a stuck case. While you are experimenting, put a little dab of the Petroleum Jelly in a primer to see if it kills it. Lastly, you may as well report back to us what way you discovered as to how to remove the PJ from the cases after sizing. I love it when some guy assumes all the risk of experimenting and I get the benefits.
Give the guy some credit for at least asking the question. There are kinder ways to suggest that it may not be an equivalent substitute.
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Old August 13, 2013, 02:13 PM   #6
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Guess what guys? I just resized 25 cases and not a single issue. It was even smoother than Imperial sizing wax. Boy, am surprised.

A couple of ounce can cost $10 + s&h at Sinclair's a 4 oz. jar of generic petroleum jelly cost $1.48 at Walmart.

Learned something new today. Enjoy.
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Old August 13, 2013, 02:39 PM   #7
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Try using Kiwi Mink Oil (boot dressing.)
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Old August 13, 2013, 03:04 PM   #8
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Glad this worked for you! Have you wiped the stuff off of your brass yet? RCBS case lube comes off pretty well by just wiping each case for a few seconds. If Vasoline comes off good, that is a great thing to know.
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Old August 13, 2013, 03:24 PM   #9
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The Vaseline comes off very nicely with paper towels, no different than Imperial wax.

I have heard about mink oil, and I use it on letter goods, especially when I was into horses. Now I just use it to soften letter jackets and shoes. But I'm pretty sure petroleum jelly is even cheaper than mink oil.
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Old August 13, 2013, 05:26 PM   #10
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Give the guy some credit for at least asking the question. There are kinder ways to suggest that it may not be an equivalent substitute.
It was not meant to be taken seriously...did you not see the smiley face? I had no idea whether it would work or not and was in fact, interested to know if it would. Lighten up, no one elected you "kindness police".
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It was not meant to be taken seriously...did you not see the smiley face?
It came across as condescending, smiley face notwithstanding.
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Old August 14, 2013, 08:38 AM   #12
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considering how many brass a little can of Imperial will treat it is not worth the risk of a damaged die to use anything else unless IMO.
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Old August 14, 2013, 06:17 PM   #13
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considering how many brass a little can of Imperial will treat it is not worth the risk of a damaged die to use anything else unless IMO.
I don't get your rational, how is petroleum jelly going to damage a die? I can't imagine a single way that could happen. Please tell me.
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Old August 14, 2013, 06:23 PM   #14
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I don't get your rational, how is petroleum jelly going to damage a die? I can't imagine a single way that could happen. Please tell me.
If petrolatum is not as good a lube as you think it is, and you get a case galled-up inside the die. Not sayin' that will happen, but if it does that's how it will damage your die.
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Old August 14, 2013, 06:32 PM   #15
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galled-up inside the die
Does that me a stuck case? I still don't see how that damages a die, unless you don't a stuck case kit and try to chisel it out.
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Old August 14, 2013, 08:04 PM   #16
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If your brass gets stuck inside your die and your stuck case remover fails to get it out (it happened to me) you are then needing to do whatever it takes to get it out and the die can become damaged. I messed one up that way. The petroleum jelly itself isn't going to damage the die of course. Not worth the few cents you will save. IMO if a $9.00 can of wax is too expensive then perhaps reloading itself is too expensive of a hobby.

It is good that folks explore alternatives to help save $, but there is a risk.

Your own sig line says it all right there!
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Old August 14, 2013, 08:54 PM   #17
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Talk about far fetched. This is total nonsense.
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Old August 14, 2013, 09:11 PM   #18
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I see no need to be insulting when people are trying to help you. A stuck case remover doesn't always get the case out and if you don't believe that I don't frankly care. I am glad Vaseline works for you. Happy trails dude.
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Old August 15, 2013, 07:05 AM   #19
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Vaseline is (thick) petroleum jelly, also known simply as petrolatum. You may want to try Light Mineral Oil, which is also known as Light Liquid Petrolatum. There is also a "heavier" Mineral Oil, so look for the light stuff. I mixed 10% Light LP with 70% alcohol, put it in a small manual spray bottle and that works well as a case lube.

I find it easier to clean the lube (whatever you use) after sizing in the case cleaner rather than the time-consuming wiping them all off with a rag or towel. But then, it depends on how many cases you've sized.
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Eppie, did you experience any lube dents? As sticky and thick as Petroleum jelly is, it seems to me that it would be very easy to get too much on the case...a concern for me when I was loading long, straight cases like the .444 Marlin and 45-70.
Nowadays, I hardly use any case lube. Carbide dies for handgun, Lee Collet (neck)dies for rifle. For .30 Carbine (also Carbide), I use a spray-on (Hornady One-Shot), that turns to a powder and seems to fall off by itself after sizing.
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Old August 15, 2013, 08:58 AM   #21
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Hi dahermit,
you're a smart one. Carbide dies are the way to go in my book, it avoids the whole lube issue, unfortunately they aren't any for .308. I've written to Redding about making some and their answer is that they would be too expensive for bottle type cases like .308. I'm using the Redding National Match dies and that means full length resizing and lubrication.

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did you experience any lube dents?
No, I didn't. It really was just like using Imperial wax. I really do think its the same exact thing. I'm talking about the jar not the squeeze tubes that my wife uses to remove her eye make-up (that may be the same, but that's not what I used).

I've read that many people use Hornady One Shot and it works great for them. It didn't for me, and got several stuck cases. But I may have not waited long enough to let it dry. Once I started using Imperial I never tried anything else because it worked. Hornady did send me two cans of Unique after I sent their die back to have a case extracted, but I haven't used it yet because I'm still using my can of Imperial. So, I'm not really in short supply of case lube.

I just noticed the similarity and thought I let other guys know, because I've seen many posts of people looking for an easily available and inexpensive case lube. PJ (petroleum jelly) does that and after I run out of the other case lube it will probably become my main case lube.
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Old August 15, 2013, 01:27 PM   #22
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Carbide dies are the way to go in my book, it avoids the whole lube issue, unfortunately they aren't any for .308
There are carbide dies made for .308, but guess what?

You still have to lube them.

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It really was just like using Imperial wax. I really do think its the same exact thing.
Nope.

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Old August 15, 2013, 01:50 PM   #23
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The Dillon 308 sizing die costs $139.95.
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Old August 15, 2013, 02:13 PM   #24
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The Dillon 308 sizing die costs $139.95.
Which is why, IMO, they're not worth it if you still have to lube.
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Old August 16, 2013, 07:11 AM   #25
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A wax is not just hardened or solidified petrolatum. Their chemical compositions differ.
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