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Old July 22, 2013, 12:55 AM   #1
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Browning BAR Recoil vs Benelli R1

I am going to be going on my first Plains Game hunt in Africa. My professional hunter has recommended a 300 WM as the best caliber for the hunt.

I am sensitive to recoil and have been looking into the softest shooting rifle in that caliber. I have come down to a decision between the Benelli R1 and the Browning BAR Safari II.

The advantages of the Benelli are that it is lighter than the BAR and the recoil reduction is significant. It is also apparently a cinch to break down and clean. The disadvantage is that it is not a super accurate rifle by most accounts. For example, the Outdoor Life review, while generally positive, reported a 5-shot group at a pedestrian 2.89 inches.

The advantages of the BAR are that many report it as as accurate or nearly as accurate as a bolt gun. It also has a sterling reputation for reliability.

The only thing I can't seem to find out is if the BAR has even close to the same amount of recoil reduction as the Benelli. (I am speaking specifically about the rifle WITHOUT the BOSS muzzle break, which is not allowed on the hunt.)

I've read everything from recoil reduction of 30% to no recoil reduction at all. If the BAR reduces recoil in a manner close to the Benelli, to me it's a no brainer to get the BAR.

If you own a BAR in a 300 WM, please post your experience. Does the semi-auto action reduce recoil significantly? What would you compare it to in a Bolt gun?

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Old July 22, 2013, 01:50 AM   #2
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Re: Browning BAR Recoil vs Benelli R1

Well, when I shot an R1 in .300 Win Mag the recoil was not bad at all and the accuracy was actually about 1.5 MOA.... not 3.

What would I compare the recoil to? About a .308 win. I have not shot a BAR so I can't comment there.
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Old July 22, 2013, 04:17 AM   #3
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Contrary to what people may say there are only three things that determine recoil on a gun they are velocity of bullet, weight of bullet and weight of gun you can't get around physics. Now different guns may manage perceived / felt recoil differently, but that is all they are doing don't get fooled into thinking that one is going to magically make recoil go away. My point is a good recoil pad maybe all you need to make any gun acceptable.
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Old July 22, 2013, 09:23 AM   #4
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Re: Browning BAR Recoil vs Benelli R1

Palmetto, a bolt gun will never soak up recoil as well as a gas operated semi auto, no matter how good of a recoil pad that you put on it. So while a good recoil pad is a nice addition, some guns can do a good bit more to reduce perceived recoil than others.
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Old July 22, 2013, 09:55 AM   #5
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only three things that determine recoil on a gun they are velocity of bullet, weight of bullet and weight of gun you can't get around physics
Palmetto - I am familiar with the laws of physics and technically what you say is true. However, as you also note, some firearms manage the recoil better.

I have a Beretta A400 Xtreme Unico shotgun that makes 3.5 inch turkey loads feel like you're shooting 2.75 target loads.

Every review I have seen of the Benelli R1 has testified that shooting the 300 Win Mag felt more like a 270 or a 308. My favorite bolt gun is my Sako chambered in 270. So I know I would enjoy shooting the Benelli. Again, the issue is accuracy.

I want to know if the BAR does nearly as good a job at "managing" the recoil as the Benelli from someone who owns one.
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Old July 22, 2013, 10:35 AM   #6
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Re: Browning BAR Recoil vs Benelli R1

The BAR will be a very soft shooting rifle. It uses a gas operated action (just like your A400) that will reduce a good amount of felt recoil.

The R1 does not use a gas operated action, its best feature for reducing felt recoil is the comfortech stock.
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Old July 22, 2013, 12:09 PM   #7
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I know for me when I am shooting at game animals I don't even notice recoil like I do when I am shooting at the range have you considered this also?
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Old July 22, 2013, 12:50 PM   #8
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I know for me when I am shooting at game animals I don't even notice recoil like I do when I am shooting at the range have you considered this also?
Palmetto - Yes. I have that same experience. However, since this is one of those "hunts of a lifetime" I want to be extremely proficient with my rifle and practice shooting from lots of different positions. I plan on spending extensive range time getting ready. I don't want to have to limit range time or potentially develop a flinch. I'm sure I could shoot a true elephant gun in the heat of the moment. It's the preparation that I am thinking about.
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Old July 22, 2013, 01:55 PM   #9
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A 300 may not be needed, but if it is

For Plains game, if you are that sensitive, a .270 will do the job quite nicely on stuff that doesn't eat you! Your shooting ability is the limiting factor here ... if you can shoot, the .270 will take it... I am a big bore man, but hunted many things with my Steyr in .270 Winchester. It will be even better if you buy real bullets such as the North Folk, etc...

If you insist on a .300, get a full bore rifle, not a lightweight, in .300 H&H, again with real bullets. If the rifle is around 9 pounds or more the recoil is pleasant, carrying it for a guided hunt is a walk in the park ... you are not hunting Sheep at tree-line in Colorado! A .300 Win kicks harder, and a .300 Weatherby is getting bad for your perspective, although a kill-em'-where-they-stand performer by any means. I used to drop elk like a bad habit with my old Weatherby big 3! Elk are on par for plains game for toughness, save the Widebeest...
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Old July 22, 2013, 02:17 PM   #10
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It's pretty simple - if you, in the design of a firearm, can extend the duration of the recoil momentum, and make the curve as flat as possible, the perception (and force) of recoil can be moderated dramatically.
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I would go for a little more accuracy over a little less recoil, but in your case it may take less recoil to be accurate......sorry I am not any help. With all that said you can bring a 50 BMG, but if you can't hit with it what good does it do you!
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Old July 22, 2013, 04:13 PM   #12
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No experience with the Benelli, but I do have a BAR in .338 WM.

I would say that the BAR recoil is easily milder than my Model 70 Featherweights in .30-06 and .308, but of course the BAR is a heavier gun.

I can see how a BAR in .300 WM would be comparable to a lightweight .270 bolt gun in recoil.
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I would say that the BAR recoil is easily milder than my Model 70 Featherweights in .30-06 and .308
45 Auto - Thanks so much. That's the sort of experience I was looking for.
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Palmetto - You were definitely helpful with your thoughts. I agree. Shot placement is the most important thing.
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Old July 23, 2013, 05:04 PM   #15
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I would add that with the BAR you will notice a significant amount of perceived recoil depending on whether your rifle is a steel receiver or aluminum. I previously owned a steel Safari II in .270 and currently own an older aluminum receiver .270 and there is a noticeable difference. Weight is definitely your friend with this one as to recoil.
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Old July 24, 2013, 10:32 AM   #16
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I would add that with the BAR you will notice a significant amount of perceived recoil depending on whether your rifle is a steel receiver or aluminum.
Que - which are you saying has less recoil, aluminum or steel? The model I'm considering has a steel receiver.
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Old July 24, 2013, 12:38 PM   #17
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I also owned a BAR in .338, and the recoil was very manageable. I was pleasantly surprised the first time I pulled the trigger and it was an enjoyable time shooting it from a bench at the range.
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Old July 24, 2013, 02:09 PM   #18
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Que - which are you saying has less recoil, aluminum or steel? The model I'm considering has a steel receiver.
Sorry I wasn't more clear. The steel has less recoil. I'm assuming that it is the weight that decreases perceived recoil. That may not be all of it. My rifle is a 1989 Type 2. I believe that later rifles also had changes to the gas system that might account at least in part for my 89 having more perceived recoil than my newer steel receiver Safari II which I believe was a 92.

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Old July 24, 2013, 02:40 PM   #19
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I have an R-1 in 270 Win Short mag and I have shot the BAR with a BOSS in 300.
The 300 with the BOSS kicks even less than my R-1
My R-1 is very picky about what ammo it likes. I get 1.3" from it with hand loads but with standard Winchester ammo it's very inaccurate, giving me groups of over 6" at 100 yds. With my best loads it's quite good, but the BAR is far easier to get to shoot well.

I really like my R1 now, but if I were to recomend one to you, I go with the BAR
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Old July 24, 2013, 04:30 PM   #20
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I've shot a BAR in .300 win mag- indoors in our gunsmithing shop. Can you say loud?

Recoil wise it was no worse than your average bolt action in .308. I had a number of well-heeled clients with BARs, and they were very reliable. Very little ever went wrong with them. I'd probably go with the BAR.
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Old July 31, 2013, 10:22 PM   #21
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What did you decide on? How's it shoot?
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Old August 1, 2013, 12:41 AM   #22
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What did you decide on? How's it shoot?
I've decided on the BAR Safari. I haven't picked it up yet. As soon as I do, I'll be sure to post pics and a range report.

Thanks to everyone for their feedback and assistance.
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so late for another argo vote I guess

for me it came down to calibre at the time, they had one in what I wanted right away (and in a country where licenses take several weeks you don't want to wait for shipment to)

Also read that the BAR is possible to suppress and the argo not so much
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For me it came down to calibre at the time, they had one in what I wanted right away (and in a country where licenses take several weeks you don't want to wait for shipment to)

Also read that the BAR is possible to suppress and the argo not so much
Husqvarna - what calibre did you buy? How is the accuracy? How would you describe the recoil reduction?
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Old August 8, 2013, 08:34 AM   #25
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and I think it is equal or slightly less than my 308 tikka (boltaction), but I think it is more due to the stock than calibre, the tikkas synthetic stock is very light and no adjustments, the argo you can change almost like a tailormade shotgun

Accyracy wise it is harder to shoot tight groups but 4 shots around 10cms at 80 meters (With a reddot) haven't scoped it yet, accuracy is probably more to due with CBTT(crap behind the trigger) my brother got a small bird at over a 100meters (it just went poof)

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