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Old August 7, 2013, 05:07 PM   #26
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Trecon, I can sell you my 24 for $206 delivered if you'd like it. If not I will send it back to Palmetto for a full refund of $206. BTW, they are now showing it out of stock so I figured I'd offer it to you if you are serious on buying one. It's in as new condition because I only used it to put a few rounds through it over this past weekend.
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Old August 8, 2013, 11:25 AM   #27
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Trecon, since I didn't hear back from you my Hipertouch was shipped back to Palmetto.
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Old August 8, 2013, 02:01 PM   #28
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GCP, just read your post to me RE sending back to PSA or selling to me. Why are you abandoning it? Your last post about it seemed so positive? Your response might provide insights about it that I've not considered before.
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Old August 8, 2013, 02:54 PM   #29
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trecon, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Hipertouch, and this is purely personal, other than its pre-travel. See, as much as I don't mind the light pre-travel of a two stage trigger I dislike the single stage's springloaded pre-travel because it feels heavy to me, plus it does not allow me to repeatedly predict trigger break. As a result, my groups suffer.

On the other hand the 15 min trigger job I did myself, along with the pre-travel reduction via the Allen screw, both helped me attain a very predictable, crisp 3lb 11oz trigger at no additional cost.
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Old August 8, 2013, 03:04 PM   #30
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http://www.hiperfire.com/hipertouch24.html

I found the "How does the 24 work video?" to fairly represent the product.
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Old August 8, 2013, 03:46 PM   #31
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Untill I feel and touch a trigger I can't tell whether I'll like it or not. BTW, I never claimed this product was not accurately represented but after shooting it it's just not for me.
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Old August 8, 2013, 03:55 PM   #32
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Untill I feel and touch a trigger I can't tell whether I'll like it or not. BTW, I never claimed this product was not accurately represented but after shooting it it's just not for me.
Indeed. My purpose is to give trecon some potentially useful information.

I agree about it being difficult to tell whether one will like a trigger and whether it will improve his groups short of actually using it.
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Old August 8, 2013, 06:17 PM   #33
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On the other hand the 15 min trigger job I did myself, along with the pre-travel reduction via the Allen screw, both helped me attain a very predictable, crisp 3lb 11oz trigger at no additional cost.
gcp: I am troubled by your comment. 1st, 15 min. trigger job? 2nd, you mention Allen screw like it was separate from the trigger job? 3rd, this was "at no additional cost," i.e. the adjuster screw? Also, you mentioned further up the thread that the feel became "gritty." The original poster did not mention this RE his application of the adjuster screw. Am I to take this as being indicative of the trigger, or the user?
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Old August 8, 2013, 07:14 PM   #34
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trecon, allow me to explain.

By the "15 min trigger job" (do a search at AR15.com on the 15 min trigger job and you'll find there explicit directions on how to perform it). In short, I carefully polished all hammer and sear contact surfaces, trimmed one leg of the hammer spring and bend the trigger spring's legs 25 deg upward. All that dropped the OEM trigger pull to 3lbs 11 oz form a 7.5lb + original pull weight but I was still not happy because of the evident pre-travel (which can also be corrected by changing the angles of the contact surfaces but that's beyond my capabilities, for now). That's when I decided to give the Hiperfire a try. Upon installation I realized that the Hiperfire too had as much travel so I decided to try the 1/4x28x3/8 Allen set screw (cost me $1) to help reduce it (as specified in the "15 min" trigger directions). When attempting to adjust pre-travel on the Hiperfire I found that it became gritty, instead of its original, smooth pre-travel. I attributed that to the way the Hiperfire is constructed but since I had already decided to go back to my "15 min" trigger group I didn't study or give this grittiness additional thought. So, once again I removed the Hiperfire and installed my "15 min" parts. I then adjusted the set screw to its allowable max, while still remaining safe from accidental discharge (performed multiple drop tests), and of course made certain that the fire safety also rotated to safe properly.

I hope this helps clarify your questions but if you need additional input let me know and I'll be happy to provide.
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Old August 8, 2013, 09:23 PM   #35
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gcp, I understand your meaning of "15 min trigger job" now. Thank you for that clarification.

I had watched carefully the videos, etc. at hiperfire.com. I too would be mystified as to why the creep would become gritty as the grip screw would not seem to influence at all how the trigger tip would bear against the hammer's primary sear surface once the rear of the trigger lifted away from the screw upon pull.
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Old August 9, 2013, 05:28 AM   #36
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It is a puzzle no doubt but one I am no longer able to solve.

You now have a lot of worth while info at hand so if you decide to go with the Hipertouch I think you'll get exactly what you expect plus a well made product!
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Old August 9, 2013, 06:12 AM   #37
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I would like to add that mine is not gritty at all after using the grip screw adjuster to take out a good bit of the travel all it is really doing is pre pulling the trigger the exact same amount every time so you don't have as much travel when pulling the trigger before it breaks.
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Old August 9, 2013, 11:37 AM   #38
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Palm, it's perplexing why mine became gritty, theoretically by taking up the trigger travel it should not. All I can think of is that maybe the dimension of the H trigger vs. my particular Allen screw may have caused an aberration of movement.
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Old August 9, 2013, 09:32 PM   #39
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HIPERFIRE

I think once you feel a 24E you will see its one of the best triggers out there and if you like flat triggers then the 24C. They are both on the market now.
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Old August 10, 2013, 04:26 AM   #40
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Usmc, can you share some insight on the grittiness I experienced with the take-up screw while trying to limit travel? I surmise that the back of the trigger group, being shorter bodied? was slightly dragging against the screw rather than being lifted by it.

I'd like to add that after yesterday's shooting my groups have perceptibly and consistently shrunken so I am indeed happy with my new Palmetto build, as it shoots.

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Old August 11, 2013, 07:59 PM   #41
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You could be correct for your issue. I have not had this issue but I don't use the set screws. I use the trigger as is out of the box and I have not had any issues. I have four of them in my rifles and shoot them all a lot and I've had no problem. In fact I am shooting the PRO/AM 3 gun in a couple weeks and the Hiperfire is what I will be running. I will be shooting the pro division in open and will have the Hiperfire in my match gun.

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Old August 15, 2013, 01:13 PM   #42
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HyperTouch vs Geissele vs Hogan Triggers

OK I built a Chainsaw using a PSA kit that came with the Hypertouch trigger. This has a Faxon Firearms .300 Blackout mounted up. I figured the price was right, why not? I have three triggers now and I have come to a conclusion about what I like best. My LaRue OBR(5.56) has the SSA Geissele while my Hogan (5.56)obviously has the Hogan 4.5 single stage trigger. Although I won't be getting rid of the Geissele, I have ordered another Hogan Gold Standard trigger to replace the Hypertouch. I just don't like the pre-travel but I do admit the Hypertouch has a very nice feel. It is velvet smooth and a surprise when the hammer does fall. This was also the conclusion reached by my friend who is also going to buy a Hogan to replace the piece of no-name crap he has. Perhaps if there was less pre-travel I would be OK with keeping the Hypertouch but I am not so bold as to modify something so important to the safe use of the weapon.
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Old August 15, 2013, 01:28 PM   #43
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Would any of you who dislike pretravel or the first stage of a two-stage trigger explain what you do not like about it?

On a two-stage trigger, what do you lose by taking up the first stage before feeling that very slight additional poundage before your shot breaks?

On the Hipertouch, what do you lose by having the trigger travel before the shot breaks?


EDIT - I know quite a few people share your preference, and I am looking for some insight as to why.

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Old August 15, 2013, 07:04 PM   #44
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I thought I explained it before but I'll try again. I love a pure two stage trigger because the first stage is not spring loaded, as the Hipertouch's, but rather a silk smooth light pull until it stops, at which point it'll predictably break with slightly more pressure. So, you hold the first stage in and fire when you're ready. K31s have a wonderful two stage trigger. I personally don't like the what feels to be a spring loaded, constant pull to overcome pre-travel because I cant quite predict where it'll break. I am simply not as accurate with this system. It's like the pull of a heavy vs. light draw of the bow's string. Keep it extended long enough and you'll get shaky and inaccurate.
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Old August 16, 2013, 07:35 AM   #45
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I believe people shoot two ways either you like the predictability of knowing pretty much exactly when the trigger will break (little pre travel) or there's the other way when you "wait for the recoil method" if anyone has ever read the Carlos Hathcock story "MARINE SNIPER" he talks of this way of shooting. You line up your target hold the scope reticle steady on it and squeeze the trigger you don't know when its coming, but if you can keep the + on the target until you feel the recoil you should hit your target because by the time you feel the recoil the bullet has left the muzzle. I have tried both way and at times I fine myself trying to predict the recoil and I get shaky for me I like know exactly when the trigger will break I just shoot better not "waiting on the recoil"
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