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Old July 5, 2013, 01:14 AM   #1
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Silencer questions

I was wondering if when you get a silencer with all your paper work is it registered to one firearm or can I use it on multiple fire arms I own as long as it is the same caliber and fits it?
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Old July 5, 2013, 02:07 AM   #2
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Legally, you can put your silencer on any firearm you want. The silencer itself is the regulated item, not the host firearm.

And the general rule of silencer interchangeability is you can use it on any weapon of the same or smaller caliber with the same or lower pressure. And be careful shooting some silencers with dirty calibers like .22; some aren't designed to be cleaned and .22 dirties up a suppressor.
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Old July 5, 2013, 03:12 PM   #3
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Silencer questions

Ok. I was thinking about getting a ruger 10/22 and wanted to make it a "tactical" style gun with silencer and maybe a archangel stock or what ever stock I think fits the bill. But also wanted to use the silencer on my .22 pistols as long as I can find a threaded barrel for it. It is a little Jimenez ja22 I am thinking about getting a p22 also tho. Do you have any silencer company's you recommend that can be taken apart and cleaned?
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Old July 5, 2013, 11:10 PM   #4
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.22 suppressors get very dirty very fast. It's a dirty cartridge to begin with and there's not enough pressure to blow most of the carbon fouling out of the end of the suppressor (like on a center fire rifle suppressor), so most of the carbon stays in the suppressor. But most of the fouling ends up being lead; .22 bullets are all either straight lead, lead coated with a lubricant, or copper washed lead. That lead fills up the suppressor fairly quickly so you want a one that can be disassembled easily even when it's caked with lead.

Heres my list of requirements for a .22 suppressor:

1) Very quiet.
2) Able to be dissasembled.
3) Easy to disassemble even when the internals are caked with lead.
4) Stainless baffles (more durable and gives you more cleaning options).

The only two suppressors I would consider are the Silencerco Sparrow and the SWR Spectre 2. Both are meant for .22 but are also rated for .22 mag, .17 HMR, and 5.7x28mm. The Sparrow is a little better as far as number 3 is concerned and the Spectre is a little better as far as number 1 is concerned (the Sparrow has a noticeable first round pop, meaning the first round fired is slightly louder. The first round pop of the Spectre isn't really noticable. After that, they're basically the same as far as sound).

I've fired both and I've taken both apart when very dirty. I like that the Spectre is quieter for the first shot, but the Sparrow doesn't need any kind of tool to take apart even when caked with lead, whereas after a few hundred rounds you're gonna need some kind of straight-edged tool (the one provided, or something like the back edge of a knife) to take off the front end cap of the Spectre to push out the baffles.

I'd be very surprised if you can find a threaded barrel for your Jimenez (it's not even worth having it threaded), but a P22 is already threaded; you'll just need to get an adaptor for it. Silencerco makes one for the P22 that says it's for the Sparrow, but it will work with any .22 suppressor with 1/2x28 threads (pretty much all of them).
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Old July 5, 2013, 11:19 PM   #5
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Silencer questions

How much will each run me roughly? I'm at work right now and can't check
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Old July 5, 2013, 11:27 PM   #6
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My shop sells the Spectre for 399.99 and the Sparrow for 499.99. We're priced higher than most shops but we have a large selection and we offer a free trust.

Also, don't forget you have to pay the BATFE a $200.00 transfer tax for each suppressor you buy.
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Old July 5, 2013, 11:44 PM   #7
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Take a look at the Liberty Kodiak TL. Easy to clean, quiet--
and it just does NOT muck up the action as bad as some others.
I've ran 300+ rds through a 10-22 with it without any
cleaning or malfunctions.

If you want to set up a 10-22 with a can, the Tactical Solutions
SBX barrel is sweet. Bolt gun? Savage MkII FV-SR
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Old July 6, 2013, 12:47 AM   #8
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Silencer questions

How does a trust work? Does that mean some one else technically owns the NFA item
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Old July 6, 2013, 09:48 AM   #9
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The trust technically owns the suppressor and you (along with anyone else you designate) control the trust. A trust is usually used when people can't get a law enforcement sign-off, but it offers some other advantages as well.

The sign-off process is as follows: purchase the suppressor through your dealer, fill out some paperwork, take the paperwork and get photoed, fingerprinted, and signed off by local law enforcement, and mail the paperwork along with a $200 to the BATFE. In about six months your dealer will receive the paperwork back with a tax stamp affixed and they'll call you to come pick up your suppressor and your tax stamp. This tax stamp paperwork is what allows you to own the suppressor and it's a good idea to keep a copy of it with the suppressor at all times.

However, this process only works if your local law enforcement will sign off. If they won't (like in my neck of the woods), then you need to purchase the suppressor through a revocable trust. In many ways the trust is superior; it doesn't require a sign-off or photos or fingerprints and it allows more than one person to be on it, meaning more than one person can possess the NFA item. Also, you can designate a person to receive your suppressors upon the event of your death. On my NFA trust I am the settlor, I am the first trustee, my wife is the second trustee, and my father-in-law will receive my suppressors in the event that both my wife and I die.

Without a trust, you are the only person who can possess the suppressor; if your wife has access to your suppressor safe and you're not home, you're both breaking federal law. Also, without a trust the government gets your suppressors when you die.
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Old July 6, 2013, 10:05 AM   #10
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Also, without a trust the government gets your suppressors when you die.
Not always. Title II weapons can be transferred to lawful heirs.
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Old July 6, 2013, 10:13 AM   #11
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Interesting. I didn't know that. I actually have zero experience with the CLEO sign-off; they won't do it where I live.
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Old July 7, 2013, 08:04 PM   #12
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Take a look at the products from Innovative Arms. Their rimfire suppressors are the Apex line; all are designed to be disassembled for cleaning. The standard Apex retails at $299; the Apex Micro is a little less and the Apex S (stainless steel construction rated for the rimfire cartridges other than .22 LR) is a little more.

I bought a standard Apex from Allen Arms Tactical in Greenville, SC; their price was $225.
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Old July 8, 2013, 12:08 AM   #13
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Jim Pixley will thread and remount your front sight on a 10/22 barrel for $135. He is the best of the best. I would check to see if he can thread that Jimenez. He threaded a Beretta Neois barrel for me, and that isnt an easy one to thread.

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Old July 8, 2013, 01:36 AM   #14
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I really wouldn't spend the money to thread that Jimenez. It's probably going to require silver soldering on a threaded barrel extension. On a firearm that is one of the cheapest and worst-performing guns on the market, I can hardly see how that would be worth it.
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Old July 8, 2013, 04:34 AM   #15
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If you would dedicate your suppressor to the rifle, I have a Yankee Hill that I am very happy with. I bought their barrel for the 10/22 that looks basically like a bull barrel but has an internal suppressor that is easily removed for cleaning. I put it in an archangel stock with magpul sights and a good optic.
Your pistol project would most likely end up as something that you couldn't use sights on anyway, and couldn't hit anything with. Sights can be a problem with a pistol and you get tired of them pretty quick if all you can do is point them and guess.
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Old July 8, 2013, 10:02 AM   #16
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My favorite .22 pistol by far is the Ruger MkIII. Extremely durable, reliable, and accurate. And it comes in many threaded barrel options. On every suppressor I've shot with a MkIII as host, the sights cleared the suppressor, no problem.

Integrally suppressed 10/22 barrels are cool if you have the money for more than one suppressor, but they're pretty limiting; you can't swap it on every .22 you own. I like the Tactical Solutions SBX barrel for that: It's a short, threaded 10/22 barrel with a shroud that brings it up to the 16" legal length. The suppressor slips into the shroud and screws onto the end of the barrel. This allows you to have a removable suppressor that doesn't add much extra length to your barrel.
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Old July 8, 2013, 01:39 PM   #17
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Also, without a trust the government gets your suppressors when you die.
Completely false. Take a look at what a will and the ATF form 5 (tax free transfer) can do for you and your heirs.
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Old July 8, 2013, 01:43 PM   #18
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I have 10 threaded pistols. The Ruger 22/45s are great, but large. I enjoy my Ruger SR22P alot. Its small, double action, and accurate. I also have a threaded Sig Mosquito and a Umarex PPK/S that are both fun, and reliable. All 3 of these pistols can be had for under $400.
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Old July 8, 2013, 06:33 PM   #19
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Also, without a trust the government gets your suppressors when you die.
Completely false. Take a look at what a will and the ATF form 5 (tax free transfer) can do for you and your heirs.
Tom Servo already corrected me on that. I admitted that I have zero experience with the CLEO sign-off, as they won't do that in my neck of the woods.
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