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Old June 27, 2013, 05:00 PM   #26
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I don't have an Express, but I've been wipeing my old Wingmaster down with "ED'S RED" forever, and anything and everything else, and no rust
That's because your Wingmaster has a real blued finish instead of the matte crap on the Express.
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Old June 27, 2013, 05:07 PM   #27
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So, I guess the answer to my OP is the 870 Wingmaster is a good shotgun, and worth what you pay for it. While the 870 Express is not, and you will get what you pay for....
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Old June 27, 2013, 06:55 PM   #28
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So, I guess the answer to my OP is the 870 Wingmaster is a good shotgun, and worth what you pay for it. While the 870 Express is not, and you will get what you pay for....
The Wingmasters are excellent shotguns and as for the Express, as long as you know what you are getting and can live with it, then they are just okay. ..

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Old June 27, 2013, 11:24 PM   #29
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Having both I can't tell a hill of beans difference in performance between them. The express has a blue finish over sandblast so it is more work to keep it from trying to rust on the outside. Its also a great base finish for a spray coat type finish to stick to so you have a much more rust resistent gun than the wingmaster.
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Old June 29, 2013, 11:40 PM   #30
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So, I guess the answer to my OP is the 870 Wingmaster is a good shotgun, and worth what you pay for it. While the 870 Express is not, and you will get what you pay for....
Not at all. The Express is well worth the cost, but if you have the bucks spring for the Wingmaster.
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Old July 1, 2013, 04:20 AM   #31
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Would ceracoating an 870 remove the rust problem? Externally at least
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Old May 24, 2014, 01:06 PM   #32
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870 rest

They ship them with that brown **** on them, I got to new ones with it on them, I called rem and was told it will come off with a rag and them clean it good with oil, Thats been 3 years ago, Know rust.
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Old May 24, 2014, 10:16 PM   #33
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"Would ceracoating an 870 remove the rust problem? Externally at least"

Certainly would.
The 870 Express is a good value for the money.
Wingmaster prettier.
Got 3 870 X, a W.M.
2 Mossy 500s.
All are good, 870 X more durable, rugged.
870s are by far the most issued police s.g. for a reason.
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Old May 25, 2014, 10:52 AM   #34
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The Wingmaster and the Express are the same basic design.

The finish and wood is far better on Wingmasters. Some of the parts that are milled steel on a Wingmaster are cast powdered metal on an Express. The trigger group on a WM is metal, plastic on an Express.

There was a finish process used on Expresses (and SPS rifles) at one time that would rust if the sun went behind a cloud. I don't think they are still using that same process.
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Old May 27, 2014, 07:47 AM   #35
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Some of the parts that are milled steel on a Wingmaster are cast powdered metal on an Express. The trigger group on a WM is metal, plastic on an Express.
This is true of Express models made in the last 15 years.

I have an Express that was made in 1995. It has a machined extractor and metal trigger guard.
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Old May 29, 2014, 02:32 AM   #36
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I can only respond to the QC of the Police Magnum as explained to me by a Remington employee. When I bought my used Police Magnum over eight years ago, I called Remington and asked about adding an extended mag. tube and some other things I was considering. The guy in the repair department said the shotgun was put together in another part of the factory separate from the Express manufacturing area. The parts were hand fitted and the materials such as springs were of a higher quality and the recoil pad was a " Limbsaver" iirc. That's all I remember. I haven't compared the parts of each model. I decided to leave the gun as is.
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Old May 30, 2014, 02:25 AM   #37
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Where?

Scattergun Bob, where are you?
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Old June 4, 2014, 06:44 PM   #38
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My Dad always told me: "if you don't have anything good to say, keep your mouth shut". But I guess I can't. If you have a 15 to 30 year old wingmaster, congratulations, you own one of the finest weapons ever designed. If you have an early express that functions perfectly, your a lucky individual and I'm very happy for you. But if your looking at a new gun sitting on a shelf in a gunshop right now, don't buy it. Especially if your in a position where this is going to be your only shotgun for hunting. Because more than likely your going to experience problems that could wreck your hunting season. If you can afford a Browning BPS, buy it. If you can't buy a Mossberg 500. They aren't pretty but at least they are going to function as designed and your not going to be left high and dry after opening day of Duck season. The beancounters that have destroyed the quality control of the Remington 870 should be rounded up and sent to Guantanamo Bay with the rest of the criminals.
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Old June 4, 2014, 08:53 PM   #39
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I hate to rain on the anti-Remington parade, but the newer Expresses are a step up in finish. And the only issue they ever had was a few rougher than normal chambers that could be easily fixed, or if you contacted Remington they would take care of it. They never destroyed the quality, they built it down to a price point which is what 90%+ of buyers care about first, last, and always. AI&P knows more about 870s than most of the rest combined, and he hasn't stopped building on Remingtons at all.
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Old June 5, 2014, 10:24 AM   #40
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the only issue they ever had was a few rougher than normal chambers that could be easily fixed, or if you contacted Remington they would take care of it.
Remington used a finish on Expresses and SPS rifles a few years ago that would rust if the sun went behind a cloud. There was a huge outcry and I expect they've changed the formula by now.

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They never destroyed the quality, they built it down to a price point which is what 90%+ of buyers care about first, last, and always.
If you want the old school polished blue steel and walnut, they still make it in the Wingmaster. It just doesn't cost $300 any more.

If you want a shotgun for $300, then Remington (and everybody else) had to make some changes to meet that price point. Birch instead of walnut, matte steel instead of polished blue, etc. The trick is to meet the lower price without impairing function, which Remington has done fairly well with the exceptions mentioned.
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