The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > General Discussion Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 10, 2013, 02:11 PM   #26
Vanya
Staff
 
Join Date: July 7, 2008
Location: Upper midwest
Posts: 3,862
Quote:
Well, the kids don't usually suit up full commando style...
Perhaps not usually, but they're common enough to have their own genre in the psychological literature: the "Pseudocommando" mass murderer. Here's a review of the research on this type.
__________________
"Once the writer in every individual comes to life (and that time is not far off), we are in for an age of universal deafness and lack of understanding."
(Milan Kundera, Book of Laughter and Forgetting, 1980)
Vanya is offline  
Old June 10, 2013, 02:28 PM   #27
SgtLumpy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 2, 2013
Posts: 779
I can't help but think that the Chief of Police in Santa Monica is politically obligated to make statements that co-incide with the general mindset of her community. Santa Monica is, perhaps, the most liberal city south of San Francisco. Using terms like "extra receivers" mentioning large amounts of ammo, several magazines, body armor etc are pretty much what the voters want to hear, I'd think.

It's hard to say much of anything about an incident where some guy murders several people.


Sgt Lumpy

Last edited by Tom Servo; June 10, 2013 at 05:44 PM. Reason: Removed needless snark
SgtLumpy is offline  
Old June 10, 2013, 04:34 PM   #28
Dr Big Bird PhD
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 26, 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 778
I'd like to point out that the entire county of Los Angeles is effectively "gun free", with the exceptions of gun-ranges, gun-stores, and places of residence. Saying that this is another "gun free zone" not working, misses the broader point.
__________________
I told the new me,
"Meet me at the bus station and hold a sign that reads: 'Today is the first day of the rest of your life.'"
But the old me met me with a sign that read: "Welcome back."
Who you are is not a function of where you are. -Off Minor

Last edited by Dr Big Bird PhD; June 11, 2013 at 12:13 AM.
Dr Big Bird PhD is offline  
Old June 10, 2013, 05:00 PM   #29
Bart Noir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 5, 2000
Location: Puget Sound, USA
Posts: 1,612
What in heck are they doing putting a loaded pistol on display? I can clearly see flat point bullets in that Remington.

Where can I find those nifty blue AR magazines? Really, I've never seen them before.

I thought that the 1300 rounds being carried by the killer, if accurate, meant that at least one gun was a .22 rimfire. I guess that wasn't true but I am pretty sure he wasn't hauling hundreds of .45 Colt cartridges.

Bart Noir
__________________
“There’s a rattle in my glove box,
A Federal twelve-gauge slug.” – Adam Carroll in song Porter Wagoner
Bart Noir is offline  
Old June 10, 2013, 09:16 PM   #30
Double Naught Spy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 8, 2001
Location: Forestburg, Montague County, Texas
Posts: 10,388
Quote:
Perhaps not usually, but they're common enough to have their own genre in the psychological literature: the "Pseudocommando" mass murderer. Here's a review of the research on this type.
Yep and the research cited type does not include any sort of tabulation of the number of times the pseudocommandos are dressed in camouflage or warrior gear or even what they mean by "warrior gear." Is warrior gear some sort of fatigue-like clothing or do they mean things like vests, slings, harnesses, etc.?

I appreciate your source, but it only makes one comment, in passing and citing of another study by Mullens concerning the purported oft used camouflage or warrior gear and Mullens work is a case study of 5 incidents. I don't have his actual study, but his PP presentation doesn't even mention mode of dress. So dressing up isn't what defines the genre and I highly suspect there is a blurred line between what is considered camouflage and what is considered warrior gear.

Some do wear it. I don't know that it makes them a commando any more than the cops arriving on scene are commandos in their warrior gear. There is a definite logic that goes in to such a problem of going into a battle/massacre prepared to accomplish the task. Those who have prepared better often accomplish more than those who have not.

I highly suspect more will wear it in the future just like more robbers wear it to commit robberies.

http://www.fprs.org/Edinburgh/07.%20...%20Killers.pdf

Note that in Part II from what you cited, Knoll discusses 2 shooters who were dressed in "warrior gear" at the time of the shooting. They included Cho and Wong. http://jaapl.org/content/38/2/263.fu...8-308c43382173

Cho was wearing dark clothing and I assume the vest and gloves seen in the video
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042001592.html

Wong was wearing,
Quote:
He was described as wearing a bullet-proof vest,[12] a bright green nylon jacket, and dark-rimmed glasses.[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings

So maybe pseudocommando fits because they don't even wear much of the gear that would be considered "commando" but instead just using a couple of items. Certainly, this is not the "full commando" gear noted that I was contradicting. They just wear a couple of pieces.
__________________
"If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher."
-- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011

Last edited by Double Naught Spy; June 10, 2013 at 10:01 PM.
Double Naught Spy is offline  
Old June 10, 2013, 11:08 PM   #31
Vanya
Staff
 
Join Date: July 7, 2008
Location: Upper midwest
Posts: 3,862
DNS, you're quite right, and I'm not too comfortable with the way that practitioners of that version of the psychodynamic approach operate -- they can explain anything and everything in terms of their theories, which doesn't make for good science. But as a general category for for folks like Cho and Lanza, it may have some utility.

It would probably be fair to say that not all mass murderers who fit the profile described in the literature go in for dressing up, but that all those who do dress up do fit the profile.
__________________
"Once the writer in every individual comes to life (and that time is not far off), we are in for an age of universal deafness and lack of understanding."
(Milan Kundera, Book of Laughter and Forgetting, 1980)
Vanya is offline  
Reply

Tags
6 dead , california , gun control , pro-gun

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.08180 seconds with 7 queries