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Old May 19, 2013, 08:22 PM   #1
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New York ammo background check question

Could someone tell me how New York plans to implement the ammo check provision of its safe act? The NICS check is a national data base to check gun purchases, they are not going to create a form and check ammo just for one state, and if N.Y. plans to set up a new background check system of its own, just how would that be done, think of the cost(especially in this economy) and making every gun store check every ammo purchase is impractical,think of the paper work and the time, it would be to much of a burden.
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Old May 19, 2013, 08:40 PM   #2
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You realize your talking about the same people who banned large soft drinks? These people are liable to try anything and everything.

The state would have to implement the system. It wouldn't be the role of the federal government.
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Old May 19, 2013, 08:50 PM   #3
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Convenience, practicality, and cost are not factors because the powers that be don't care if you buy ANY ammunition EVER. I suspect there will be essentially a FOID type card program started where you have to have a background check done to acquire it. Think England...
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Old May 19, 2013, 09:50 PM   #4
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^^^^ Think England.....& New Jersey.
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Old May 19, 2013, 10:01 PM   #5
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You realize your talking about the same people who banned large soft drinks? These people are liable to try anything and everything.
Just for the record, the NYC ban on large sodas has been struck down by the New York Supreme Court -- and it wasn't passed by "the same people." The soda ban was enacted by the city of New York, at the behest of Mayor Bloomberg, and the SAFE act was enacted at the state level. Mr. Bloomberg may have been all for it, but he wasn't responsible for passing it.

Let's try to keep things accurate, OK?
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Old May 19, 2013, 11:16 PM   #6
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Let's try to keep things accurate, OK?
And on topic as well, folks.

They can't use the federal NICS system, as that's dedicated to checks for the purpose of buying firearms. Most likely, they'll have to establish some sort of state-level system, which is going to be inundated with calls and therefore an adventure to manage.
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Old May 20, 2013, 08:23 AM   #7
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. . . . Most likely, they'll have to establish some sort of state-level system, which is going to be inundated with calls and therefore an adventure to manage.
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Old May 20, 2013, 10:52 AM   #8
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If you want to see how well a state run instant background check works just look across the river to NJ, where nics checks are now up to close to three weeks.
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Old May 20, 2013, 01:38 PM   #9
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New York; MD State Police-gun stats....

The Empire State will learn a hard lesson from the state troopers & elected officials in Maryland. MD wasted away $13mil of taxpayer dollars on a complex system to record & track firearms(weapons used in gun crimes).
The entire program was so flawed & bogus the State Police ended it with little fanfare.

History often repeats itself.

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Old May 20, 2013, 01:55 PM   #10
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Yeah...I should use smilies more often.

However, the net effect is going to be a mess. People buy ammunition much more often than they buy guns, and unless the state is willing to invest millions in the system and the payroll to administer it, you're going to see backlogs and a defacto wait time just to buy it.
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Old May 21, 2013, 09:32 AM   #11
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It's clear from write ups about the law that Cuomo had zero knowledge of actual firearms related issues and just wanted to make a national splash.

He wanted to be first in the country to do XYZ. As reported in NY Magazine (which now only can have seven pages?).

Even antigun media in the state reported he was ignorant on issues.
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Old May 21, 2013, 06:17 PM   #12
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There is a method to their madness. You want to buy ammo then they will check you against the pistol permit data base they have now and the rifle database which will be mandatory by next year. Not on the list then guess what? Probable cause to search your home and being charged with possession of an unregistered firearm. The sooner the SAFE act is declared un-Constitutional and repealed the better.
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Old May 21, 2013, 06:55 PM   #13
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I live in NY and can tell you it isn't a problem at all. In order to need to run the check there must be ammo available to purchase
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Old May 21, 2013, 06:56 PM   #14
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Patriotic, the rifle database only covers AWBs as state defined.
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Old May 21, 2013, 10:03 PM   #15
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Just wait. California has two different ammo ID laws pending (as well as two different ammo taxes). California runs its own background checks, so that is not so much of an issue. One plan calls for an ID card, with required fee, background check, and annual renewal. The other, which is a renewal of a proposal vetoed last year by Brown (and which itself is an attempt to correct problems with the current law that is being challenged n court) calls for face to face transactions, ID and a thumbprint to buy, as well as other issues specific to the sellers. This latter law bans mail order and internet sales. It is possible that both laws could hit the books. While Brown may veto them, the Legislature has a supermajority that can pass these over a veto.

OH I forgot--ammo purchases above a specified number of rounds are reported to the DOJ.

the two ammo taxes are (1) 10% surcharge on purchases (raising the total tax to 18%), and the other is a $.05 per cartridge surcharge. The latter will make .22LR prohibitively expensive.
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Old May 22, 2013, 01:28 PM   #16
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Sounds like yet another case of short sighted politicians creating a new black market from a tax policy.
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Old May 22, 2013, 02:06 PM   #17
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It's not short-sighted at all. It's a long-term plan and they don't really care how long it takes. They don't care if the laws are effective or logical. They care that they can gradually change public perception and make people think that guns are evil and unnecessary. They care they there will gradually be fewer and fewer gun owners and fewer and fewer defenders of those gun owners. They want all firearms eliminated and they'll take as long as is required to get it done.
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Old May 22, 2013, 03:34 PM   #18
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It's not short-sighted at all. It's a long-term plan and they don't really care how long it takes. They don't care if the laws are effective or logical. They care that they can gradually change public perception and make people think that guns are evil and unnecessary. They care they there will gradually be fewer and fewer gun owners and fewer and fewer defenders of those gun owners. They want all firearms eliminated and they'll take as long as is required to get it done.
This. The antis are looking far beyond the day to day, battle to battle fights. This is a multi-generational campaign they are waging. Long term, they are looking to marginalize gun owners into the fringes of society and shape others' opinion of us as kooks, extremists, and cranks.
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Old May 22, 2013, 10:56 PM   #19
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Ny can set up their own system and just like NJ charge a fee per check. For the NJ NICS system, it is 16.50 per check. Imagine having a 10$ check every time you buy ammo. Which is what I think they intend. Make firearms ownership cost prohibitive so that only the wealthy can afford it.
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Old May 23, 2013, 02:16 PM   #20
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Mr. Pfleuger is exactly right ... the people behind these laws don't care if they make sense, they don't care that there are piles of evidence showing how worthless their laws are or how much of the taxpayers money is wasted ... the progressives long-term goal is disarmament of the population, and each step signed into law gets them closer to that dream. All our arguments are wasted air; the only way to fight back is in the courts, by getting the laws overturned. In here, you're preaching to the choir; people who don't enjoy firearms and don't feel a need to protect themselves and their families from harm don't care what happens to us and our guns ... and there are a lot of them out there ...
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Old May 23, 2013, 11:32 PM   #21
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That is why I buy my ammo out of state.
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