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Old May 27, 2013, 10:52 AM   #126
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Posted by deepcreek: Why is that [(the recommendation for a lawful defender to not be the first to report a use of force incident)] such a bad proposal ?
Simply because, if it is first reported by someone else and the defender cannot provide a good reason for that fact, the defender will have, through his failure to report first, created evidence providing probable cause and indicating possible criminal culpability.

The risk exposure continues until the statute of limitations has run out.

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Because it does not agree with yours ?
Actually, it does not agree with the advice of any knowledgeable expert in the field of law enforcement, the criminal justice system, or use of force laws.

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Evidence is created be careful what evidence you create against yourself.
Good thinking.

Do you really think that a citizen's report of having lawfully presented a weapon would suffice to bring about arrest, charges, or conviction for assault or aggravated assault, and/or that the risk of that happening is more serious than the risk of being considered guilty of a crime because of not having been the first to report? Do you have a supportable basis for that belief?

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free legal advice from the internet probably is not the best.
Right.

Frank Ettin and Spats McGee are lawyers, but they are not your lawyers, and they are not providing you with legal advice.

If you do disagree with the logic of their arguments, you can find a criminal defense attorney who is familiar with self defense cases and consult him or her. Your conversation would constitute a privileged legal communication and, unlike these posts on a public forum, would not be subject to discovery and use against you in court.

Might I also recommend that you sign up for MAG-20, where this subject is covered in detail. It is highly likely that at least some of the people in the class will be practicing attorneys.
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Old May 27, 2013, 04:45 PM   #127
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Here was the original question:
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Originally Posted by rmocarsky
Are there any legitimate statistics that state the percentage of threats that have been stopped when nothing more happens than a firearm is brought to bear by the intended victim?
Given the distance that this thread has wandered from its point of origin, and having reached a very nice stopping point in OldMarksman's well-spoken last post, I think it safe to say that this one has run its course.

Thank you all for your civility, but this one is done.
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