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Old May 14, 2013, 08:51 PM   #1
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Higher end, non target style, 22lr. Help me decide

I want a nicer full size 22lr. I have a Ruger MKIII and 22/45 and a Norinco TT Olympia so I want this gun to be a more combat style. I have held the Ruger sr22 and the browning 1911 and they are just too small for me. I want it to:

1) Eat as many different brands/types of ammo as possible
2) Be accurate enough for backyard paper punching (doesn't have to win competitions but needs to hold its own

I have a short list of:
Sig P226 classic
CZ Kadet (can't find one though)
Kimber rimfire 1911
RIA 22 1911
Beretta 87 (I know it is smaller but I have an 84)
S&W M&P 22

Looking for something a little "nicer" than the GSG/Sig 1911 and beretta noes/S&W 21

Does anyone have the guns mentioned on my list? How ammo picky is it? How accurate? Any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance
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Old May 14, 2013, 09:00 PM   #2
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Kimber comes to mind with the conversion kit.

Sig mosquito? It's not high end though IMO. I have one and it shoots well.

I just bought an advantage arms conversion for my glock 19. I haven't shot it yet.

Volquartsen makes a fine .22 pistol but its not combat style and its very expensive for a .22
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Old May 14, 2013, 09:06 PM   #3
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If you can find a CZ Kadet, great; you could also look for a Kadet conversion kit, which is what I did. It works with my P01s and my SP01.





This was shot at 10 yards, 70 rounds with the Kadet mounted on a P06 (recently sold the P06):



It's accurate enough; it may require some filing to get it to fit the rails on your particular CZ, but nothing major; it functions well.

The only thing I don't like about it is that the magazine ears really prick at the fingers when loading; they are very narrow. The magazine is basically a .22LR magazine built into a full-size 9mm magazine outer shell.

The conversion kit comes with 2x 10rd magazines, and its own slide stop.
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Old May 14, 2013, 09:15 PM   #4
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The CZ Kadet kit has had great reviews. As a rule I'd tend to stay away from conversions but given the Kadets reviews, I'd like to try it out on my P-01. One of my shooting partners recently purchased the SW M&P 22 and we've both been very impressed with the pistol. He also shoots the SW M&P 9 so it was almost a no brainer given the similarities between the MP 22 and MP 9, to buy a dedicated 22 in the MP 22. The SW M&P 22 is 12 +1 capacity and I found the pistol to be a lot of fun to shoot.
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Old May 14, 2013, 09:24 PM   #5
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Higher end, non target style, 22lr. Help me decide

Thanks. Have y'all found the CZ and S&W to be ammo picky? Have you ran any bulk 22 through it?
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Old May 14, 2013, 10:50 PM   #6
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How about the ISSC M22? I dont have any experience with it... just a suggestion. There are 22 conversions for the Kel-Tec PF9 and P11. There also is a 22 conversion coming for the Ruger LC9. Not sure any of those would be what you are looking for.

Conversions here
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Old May 14, 2013, 10:52 PM   #7
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My range rents out an M&P-22 and it is awesome. Very fun to use. Pretty accurate too.
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Old May 14, 2013, 10:56 PM   #8
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The Kadet has not been fussy, but I normally use CCI in it. The dud rate with Remington bulk has been high in ALL my .22s (S&W 18; Kadet; SIG P220 conversion; 10/22). I am not a fan of low-grade bulk ammo.

My parents have a SIG Mosquito. It runs well with better ammo, but is very dependent on proper bullet weight. Check owners manual or use search function.
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Old May 14, 2013, 11:20 PM   #9
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How about a S&W 422? These have been out of production for a while, but are still easily found. Full size, very accurate, 12 shot, light weight.
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Old May 15, 2013, 08:25 AM   #10
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Take a look at the GSG1911, all I have run through it is different kind's of bulk ammo with very few ftf or fte. I also have a S&W M&P 22, also a very good 22.
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Old May 15, 2013, 08:40 AM   #11
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Buy a 9MM CZ-75B or other 75 based pistol, and get the Kadet Kit.
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Old May 15, 2013, 09:24 AM   #12
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There's a Beretta Cheetah in 22lr that's pretty nice. I believe it's model 87 or something.
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Old May 15, 2013, 10:26 AM   #13
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^ Yep, and it would be my pick, they're really nice plinking 22's. Pricey and a bit hard to find though.
I missed a perfect used one at Cabelas a couple years ago, still miffed about it...
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Old May 15, 2013, 12:26 PM   #14
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About that Beretta Model 87,,,

I own one and really like my Model 87 Cheetah,,,
I also own and really like my CZ-75B Kadet.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

The CZ was $100 cheaper and has a higher capacity,,,
It's a 10 + 1 capacity while the Beretta is 8 + 1.

I am noticeably more accurate with the CZ,,,
The Beretta fits my K-Frame hands a tad better.

My Beretta only runs consistently with CCI Mini-Mags,,,
My Kadet runs with anything I feed into it,,,
Even old Remington mil-surp LRN.

All in all my personal opinion is that the CZ-75B Kadet,,,
Is head and shoulders a finer firearm than the Beretta.

But the Beretta brings out my inner James Bond a bit more than the CZ.

Just a personal comparison of my two pistols.

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Old May 15, 2013, 12:44 PM   #15
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This is tough, since you already have good pistols (Ruger MK, 22/45).
-- 1911 style?
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I have tried a base model Ceiner conversion on my 1911 long ago with the thought of training for cheap with a 1911. Non adjustable sights and lack of lock-open on last round did not work for me. At the time I tried the ceiner, I had a couple of Browning Buckmarks, Ruger MKIIs, S&W 41, and maybe a S&W 617. Sold the Ceiner since I had so many others that shot better.

Now, A conversion is very low on my list but I kind of want to try an Advantage Arms (something that locks open on last round) and this time without the thought of matching it to centerfire training. I think I will enjoy it more.
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Old May 16, 2013, 02:58 PM   #16
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Hammerli Xesse 6" barrel

Used Sig Trailside 6" barrel
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Old May 16, 2013, 08:25 PM   #17
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Hammerli Xesse 6" barrel

Used Sig Trailside 6" barrel
How does this fall into the "Non target style, more combat style" the original poster was asking for? I agree the X-esse or Sig Trailside is a great 22 pistol( I have a Trailside), but this is exactly what the OP doesnt want.
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Old May 16, 2013, 10:10 PM   #18
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Higher end, non target style, 22lr. Help me decide

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How does this fall into the "Non target style, more combat style" the original poster was asking for? I agree the X-esse or Sig Trailside is a great 22 pistol( I have a Trailside), but this is exactly what the OP doesnt want.
Yeah the sig is nice, but too similar to my Rugers and Olympia TT. I think I might go after the CZ Kadet. They seem to be a little difficult to find though
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Old May 17, 2013, 08:36 AM   #19
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Found a stash of 40+ year old 22 ammo at the cottage. Went to my LGS and they showed me Rugers, Brownings (cute 1911s that are too small for my hand, sigh), Sigs, and an S&W M&P 22 (last one). Took the slide off the M&P 22 and lo and behold... not only does it have a hammer, it also has a fixed barrel... bonus. Bought it.

Put a few mags thru it, shot a variety of (mostly crappy) ammo, 100% function. It really puts a deep dent in the spent brass. No hiccups. Pictured below is first mag dump (12+1). This is a very light gun, very soft shooter, had trouble not limp wristing, (a bad habit of mine) as you can see the target has a couple of fliers. I do better with all steel.

Bought it for plinking, but it might do for carry. I wouldn't call it a 'higher end' gun tho. Should be OK for my wife, she currently prefers a tiny 25 ACP mouse gun... btw this is a near full size gun.

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Old May 18, 2013, 10:58 AM   #20
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Hammerli Xesse 6" barrel

Used Sig Trailside 6" barrel
I had a Trailside and it was not ammo fussy and pretty accurate. Trigger is not good but you said you did not want a target pistol. A Smith 41 has a better trigger and I think it can be used as a target pistol or a plinker as it is right between the two IMHO. When you say target pistols, I am thinking of these and the like. Good luck with your choice.

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Old May 18, 2013, 03:00 PM   #21
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Higher end, non target style, 22lr. Help me decide

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I had a Trailside and it was not ammo fussy and pretty accurate. Trigger is not good but you said you did not want a target pistol. A Smith 41 has a better trigger and I think it can be used as a target pistol or a plinker as it is right between the two IMHO. When you say target pistols, I am thinking of these and the like. Good luck with your choice.

Keep in mind I DO NOT want a target style. I already have 3. I want something more along the styling of a modern center fire

SEEMAN, good info on the M&P
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Old May 18, 2013, 03:46 PM   #22
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Keep in mind I DO NOT want a target style. I already have 3. I want something more along the styling of a modern center fire
Yeah, that is why I DID NOT recommend a Hammerli 208, FAS 602, Medalist, etc.....like what is on the bench. Good luck in your search.
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Old May 18, 2013, 04:08 PM   #23
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Yeah, that is why I DID NOT recommend a Hammerli 208, FAS 602, Medalist, etc.....like what is on the bench. Good luck in your search.
Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought you were recommending them. My apologies
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Old May 18, 2013, 11:32 PM   #24
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No problem and sorry for the confusion. Hope you find something that works for you.
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Do you have a 1911? If so, try the Marvel conversion.

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