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Old May 31, 2013, 12:58 PM   #51
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As it is the beginning of the competition, there are a lot of shooters. I did not keep track but some have backgrounds in pistols, some with rifles and I maybe someone with shotguns. I am not sure.

I do know the primary event in the first event was rifle oriented. The semi-final event was a pistol but only challenged the botttom 5 I believe. Then there was the grenade launcher for the bottom two.

You may see pistol shooter do better in the next round in the event it is pistol oriented.
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Old May 31, 2013, 04:48 PM   #52
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According to the previews, the next episode is going to be courses of fire from the realm of exhibition shooters.
Ones like Annie Oakley, Bob Munden and such.
You know, like shooting backward with a mirror.
Or splitting a bullet on an axe to hit two targets.
It should be quite a show.
Yeah, I'm rooting for the terrific, lonely female of the group, too.
If she hadn't just about fallen off the rope, she might have really kicked butt.
She is so accurate and calm about it all.
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Old May 31, 2013, 05:58 PM   #53
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I like the new format without all the drama!
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Old May 31, 2013, 10:45 PM   #54
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I never watched over 2 minutes of a single episode. I really don't watch tv. But come to my house 4-5 days a week and you'll see some top shots right in my yard. I do t need to watch others shoot I just like shooting myself.
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Old June 1, 2013, 07:34 AM   #55
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so far so good, much improved new format for us shooters!
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Old June 1, 2013, 09:25 AM   #56
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I like that show a lot.
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Old June 1, 2013, 11:16 AM   #57
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Did anyone notice that some of the more popular guys from the previous shows had the worst performance?

I’m not 100% sure of their names, but a guy named Gary and the guy they call Gunny were sort of the leaders in the earlier shows and went far into the competition. However, this time neither looked very good in the first competition.

Sort of early, but based on my observation the young lady seems to have a pretty good chance.
I did notice that. Those guys were strong in most challenges during their seasons. iirc, Gunny's only weak performance was on the unstable platform with the FAL during Season 2. Having that same challenge come back was a bad break for him. Probably a big mental element for him, this time. I was shocked to see Gary have trouble.


There are a lot of class acts & quality shooters to root for, this season. Many have improved as shooters since we last saw them. Chris Cerino, Peter Palma, and Kelly Bachand should all be visibly stronger.

It would be impossible to pick a winner this season, but I expect Kelly, Gunny, and Cerino to be top six. Jamie Franks is a sleeper. He'll be top half, I think.
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Old June 2, 2013, 01:27 PM   #58
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Generally, I like the show. Dislike the drama. The shooting challenges are everything from fun and interesting to borderline rediculous action movie stuff that will never happen to any of us in real life. Fun to watch, though.

One thing I cannot help but wish, how much better would it be (and how much better would the contestants do) if they used their own guns? Or, at least, allowed each shooter practice and sight in with the gun they are going to be shooting.

Looking at previous shows, where a lot of the targets are hit or miss (bottles, plates, etc), giving a contestant an afternoon to shoot a box or so from an unfamiliar gun, (everyone using the same gun, no sight adjustments allowed), then watching them miss by just a tiny bit (love those high speed closeups of the bullets just missing the edge of the jug, etc), is it any wonder some don't do as well as their resume might suggest?

Of course, that's their premise, they are looking for the best shot, with whatever they hand them, not the best marksman possible.

Generally fun to watch, for me. Haven't seen the new episode, yet, but I'm sure I'll catch it soon.
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Old June 3, 2013, 12:29 PM   #59
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I like the new format without all the drama!
This was the first thing I noticed! No elimination range, and no teams? Yay for less drama. Though, I did notice that they did bring certain individuals who had history with each other. Like Adam Benson and Kelly Bachand from season 1. If I remember right, they kinda hated each other, lol.

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Chris Cerino, Peter Palma, and Kelly Bachand should all be visibly stronger.
They were all, always strong. In Kelly's case, he was underestimated by the other competitors. They figured he'd be good with a rifle, and that's it. Yet, he was probably one of the strongest overall. He was great with a rifle, one of the best with the odd weapons, and better than most with the pistol. Iain Harrison and Cerino were just better with pistols and only slightly less skilled than Kelly at rifles. He was actually my favorite in Season 1, and he got picked on because he was the rich kid with no LE or Military experience, who was outshooting the pros, members of the military and LE guys. I honestly think he may be the one to watch this season. But as we've seen, the best shooters aren't always the ones to move on.

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Old June 3, 2013, 06:10 PM   #60
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I've been essentially amazed, every season, that professional competition shooters don't do better against people who appear to be hobbyists. When they did the "where are they now segments", the people who went home early were training for a national or world championship, while the winners were going to go fishing, or feed the livestock, or hug their kids.
I know that the show plays very, very coy with the backgrounds of some of the shooters, calling a guy with multiple national championships at Camp Perry something like a "vintage rifle enthusiast", but still. Guys with no competition background at all, were more than up to the challenge of competing head-to-head with shooters who "live" for competition shooting.
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Old June 3, 2013, 06:37 PM   #61
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I thought the first episode was pretty interesting. Liked the focus on the shooting.
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Old June 3, 2013, 06:55 PM   #62
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I've been essentially amazed, every season, that professional competition shooters don't do better against people who appear to be hobbyists.
This actually doesn't surprise me at all. Most of the seasoned professionals are specialists, in that they train extensively with one type of gun, and one type of competition. They don't have nearly that level of experience with other types of guns or competitions. Whereas the hobbyists and recreational shooters will go out and shoot whatever they feel like. Those that compete will usually compete in several types of competitions based on what their club is hosting on a particular weekend.

This competition favors the jack of all trades. If you're a specialist, you're going to lose eventually. If you have well rounded experience, you'll do very well. Also, most of the compeitions are "close enough counts" type of matches. In other words, it counts as long as you get your round in this general target area. Scores are usually number of targets hit, not based on how close to a bullseye you can shoot.
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Old June 3, 2013, 10:37 PM   #63
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This actually doesn't surprise me at all. Most of the seasoned professionals are specialists, in that they train extensively with one type of gun, and one type of competition.
Yup, I think you nailed it.

I found it interesting that in an earlier season, one of the professional pistol shooters who competes very impressively in the "practical" style pistol sports demonstrated a surprising lack of proficiency squeezing off slow accurate shots from an off-the-shelf autopistol. Clearly he had taken specialization to an extreme.
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Old June 4, 2013, 03:38 PM   #64
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This actually doesn't surprise me at all. Most of the seasoned professionals are specialists, in that they train extensively with one type of gun, and one type of competition. They don't have nearly that level of experience with other types of guns or competitions.
This is where I was coming from with my comment about Kelly, Peter, and Cerino. Each of these guys has spent time developing areas where they were "less strong" (as opposed to weak), while continuing to develop existing strengths. I expect Kelly to be one of the best all around performers this season. He has always been fantastic with the long guns, and something of a robot (kind of the rifle version of Mike Hughes), so I expect that we'll see him looking like a very seasoned pistol shooter.
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Old June 5, 2013, 01:43 AM   #65
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This is where I was coming from with my comment about Kelly, Peter, and Cerino. Each of these guys has spent time developing areas where they were "less strong" (as opposed to weak), while continuing to develop existing strengths. I expect Kelly to be one of the best all around performers this season. He has always been fantastic with the long guns, and something of a robot (kind of the rifle version of Mike Hughes), so I expect that we'll see him looking like a very seasoned pistol shooter.
I see what you're saying. With more experience in the area's they were lacking the first time around, the would have had a much better chance of winning in their particular season.

Kelly was sort of a favorite of mine when I watched season 1. Mainly because his specialty was what I used to do, oh, 16 or 17 years ago. I think he might just be the one to beat this time around. Even as a specialist in Season 1, he was still a better shooter than almost every other person there.

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I found it interesting that in an earlier season, one of the professional pistol shooters who competes very impressively in the "practical" style pistol sports demonstrated a surprising lack of proficiency squeezing off slow accurate shots from an off-the-shelf autopistol. Clearly he had taken specialization to an extreme.
Are you talking about Brad Engmann? Wasn't he the one who was supposedly this great pistol guy, but completely bombed the shoot? And then blamed the loss on the fact that they were shooting a 92FS, and he was used to Glocks? That was a memorable moment to me. Blaming the equipment...when no one else had an issue with it...
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Old June 5, 2013, 10:09 AM   #66
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Are you talking about Brad Engmann? Wasn't he the one who was supposedly this great pistol guy, but completely bombed the shoot? And then blamed the loss on the fact that they were shooting a 92FS, and he was used to Glocks? That was a memorable moment to me. Blaming the equipment...when no one else had an issue with it...
That moment stood out to me, as well. I want to say that I can't imagine missing with a 92FS, but I can't pretend to be on the level of the people on that show.
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Old June 5, 2013, 06:16 PM   #67
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Are you talking about Brad Engmann? Wasn't he the one who was supposedly this great pistol guy, but completely bombed the shoot? And then blamed the loss on the fact that they were shooting a 92FS, and he was used to Glocks? That was a memorable moment to me. Blaming the equipment...when no one else had an issue with it...
It was indeed, Brad. He rubbed me the wrong way from the get go. He blamed everything except himself. No, he did not have extensive practice with the Beretta but he did have time prior to the competition to gain some more familiarity with it. He didn't prepare enough, that was his own fault and I was glad to see him go.

Yes, different equipment can pose a different challenge to a shooter, but adapt and perform; that is what the show is about.
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Old June 5, 2013, 07:17 PM   #68
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if i remember right it was/was also Blake miguez that bombed and stated he was going to go home and buy a over the counter handgun and learn how to shoot all over again.
Take anyone that shoots a "Race Gun" and they will struggle with any out of box gun.
What do these guys carry for daily self defence???
And i look for Blake to be a very top finisher Nooooooo!
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Old June 5, 2013, 07:29 PM   #69
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It was indeed, Brad. He rubbed me the wrong way from the get go. He blamed everything except himself. No, he did not have extensive practice with the Beretta but he did have time prior to the competition to gain some more familiarity with it. He didn't prepare enough, that was his own fault and I was glad to see him go.

Yes, different equipment can pose a different challenge to a shooter, but adapt and perform; that is what the show is about.
Agreed.

I think this may be about the best way I can explain how Brad's struggles with the 92FS bothered me. While Brad is certainly a better shooter than I am, I can pick up a 92FS (or most other handguns), and perform aaaallllmmmmoooosssstttt as well as I do with nearly any other firearm. While there are certainly firearms with which each of us may shoot better than we might with another platform, the 92FS is not exactly the most challenging handgun to shoot well.
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Old June 5, 2013, 08:04 PM   #70
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Another thumbs up for the new show. 100% improvement just by moving away from the trite "Survivor" drama and backstabbing. Shoot straight or go home!
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Old June 13, 2013, 11:39 AM   #71
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I found last night's show, Jun 12th, enjoyable. The primary firearm was the Sig P229. It had some very fast action firing. There was very little slow-mo replay that might of been helpful with as fast as the show moved along.

Several contestants were a little less than pleased with the P229 and some of the others praised it as a good pistol while admitting they were not good with it. Although, a majority of the shooters made no comment.

They used a top break revolver (I think .45 Colt) in the sudden death finish (final 2 elimination Shoot-0ut). I did not catch the pistol make.
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Old June 13, 2013, 11:54 AM   #72
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It was a Schofield (Smith and Wesson) shooting 44 S&W
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Old June 13, 2013, 12:07 PM   #73
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Yes, I enjoyed the fact that they used the P229 since it is one of my favorite guns. I thought it was neat to see how some loved the gun and others not so much kind of like the gang on TFL. I also noticed several of the contestants were sandbagging during the practice sessions some of it was almost humorous.

It was also neat to see how they agonized over having to send a fellow competitor home as opposed to the previous scheming in earlier shows. However, I think Chee was so concerned about sending Gabby home it sort of got into his head and messed up his shooting, so maybe that killer instinct isn’t always bad.
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Old June 13, 2013, 12:33 PM   #74
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I think Chee purposely dropped a couple shots in the elimination. I haven't liked him, he seems to have an excuse for everything. If there was drama in the show, he was a part of it so now with him gone it can only get better
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If I remember correctly, Chee seemed a little "sweet on Gabby" when they were on the show together, and didn't like the fact that he sent her home last time.
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